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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
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If they say picked up rifles and tried to overthrow the government I think The military would have just wasted them.
The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:58 pm to SammyTiger
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Do you think the US Government will pull out of then US for political reasons?
Do you understand how an insurgency works? We were there 20 years and they outlasted us.
This assumes the entire US military would turn on the citizenry. Which is laughable.
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The Taliban received weopons from outside the country. Who is supplying you in this situation?
Oh, I dunno, that massive southern border with a country run by narcos that would have no problem flooding the black market with arms and ammunition like the currently do with drugs?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:59 pm to Clames
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That full-auto on the selector really doesn't mean that much.
Means you spend a lot more on ammo.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:00 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on
:Watches one Michael Bay movie:
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to BugAC
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Means you spend a lot more on ammo.
There's a reason why the US military moved to three round burst from full auto for the average line troop.
Doctrinal reasons of course, but also because you don't have Joe blowing through his entire basic load in a minute.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:
Back to the Cubs thread kid
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to Lester Earl
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:
:ignores Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.:
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:03 pm to Clames
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Numerous competitive shooting events where an AR-type rifle is required. CMP Camp Perry Open is another big one. Since AR-type rifles can be chambered in more than 200 cartridges from pistol to magnum rifle they can be adapted to hunting any game animal in North America and due to their modular nature a hunter can bring several assembled upper receivers and change them out on the lower within seconds to adapt to whatever situation or hunt. Defensive use is self explanatory, rifles are easier to handle, pack more punch, more ammo, and in the typical .223 Rem/5.56 NATO chambering they are actually less likely to over penetrate residential structures.
That's a lot of wordspeak for saying they are fun to use. Now let me ask you do you really think this should be a reason to keep unfettered access to them if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide. No need I already know your answer.
as far as compromise goes you have made it obvious you will accept none and there in lies the problem. You are okay with losing a few people if you get to have your fun. Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:04 pm to mindbreaker
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as far as compromise goes
As far as compromise goes, what compromise has your type made since 1934?
I'll sit back and wait.
The compromise has only gone one way.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:05 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on
Insurgencies aren't all that straight-forward. Having an armed populace doesn't mean much when that populace also will be fractured, as any civil conflict in the US will be. It's assuming a lot that the armed populace could even be easily controlled by one side or another.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to Centinel
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Do you understand how an insurgency works? We were there 20 years and they outlasted us.
Outlasted. As in we gave up a war we had no reason to keep fighting.
Do you think that would apply to a domestic insurgency? Where we have a reason to keep fighting?
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This assumes the entire US military would turn on the citizenry. Which is laughable.
I think The logistics would fail.
You would need to seize control of the entire supply line for munitions, feeding yourselves would be an issue. And ultimately people are going to decide against the assholes Who decided to frick up the status quo so they could play soldier.
And again, I don’t Think any of y’all would actually do it. It’s a good thing the election board was taken down because there were hundreds of ice cold key board warrior takes.
But again, the argument that you need guns to defend the right to have guns is clearly circular. A huge chunk of the population (who happen to mostly be the 2A supporting types) believe the election was literally stolen and they didn’t do anything. So I guess owning a gun trumps fair elections?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to Centinel
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There's a reason why the US military moved to three round burst from full auto for the average line troop.
The reserve medical unit I work for got all new M4A1's and they are all full-auto...

Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to Lester Earl
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:
How about you pay attention to history? What happened in Vietnam? It was pretty much a civil war. In civil wars and many other defensive conflicts armed citizenry is used. Wouldn’t it help your side if you had millions of armed citizens fighting with you?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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It's assuming a lot that the armed populace could even be easily controlled by one side or another.
When shite hits the fan, I'll be setting myself up as Warlord of Sonic. Anyone who disputes my claim can feel free to meet me there.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:07 pm to mindbreaker
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if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide.
It won't.
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Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be
Lies.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:09 pm to Centinel
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When shite hits the fan, I'll be setting myself up as Warlord of Sonic. Anyone who disputes my claim can feel free to meet me there
People would no doubt use a Kohl's as an operational headquarters.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:11 pm to SammyTiger
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A huge chunk of the population (who happen to mostly be the 2A supporting types) believe the election was literally stolen and they didn’t do anything. So I guess owning a gun trumps fair elections?
Taking away guns would lead to a full on revolution
Also props for not bringing up 1/6

Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:12 pm to SammyTiger
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And ultimately people are going to decide against the assholes Who decided to frick up the status quo so they could play soldier.
What if the ruling government is the actual one to fricked the status quo and actual tyrannical? Maybe they side with the people fighting against that government
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:13 pm to mindbreaker
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Now let me ask you do you really think this should be a reason to keep unfettered access to them if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide. No need I already know your answer.
Yes, that is one reason. In case you never read the SCOTUS decision in Heller v. DC:
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the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess firearms independent of service in a state militia and to use firearms for traditionally lawful purposes, including self-defense within the home.
Sporting use is a traditionally lawful purpose. It's not the only purpose, but it is one that is protected. You really don't know the answer, you have no idea about Heller, McDonald, Miller, Caetano, and numerous other cases.
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Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be
Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more gun-control laws no matter how much you want it to be.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:14 pm to BugAC
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Have you ever been intimidated by a grocery store security guard?
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The “hero” security guard who engaged the suspect but was fatally shot was Aaron Salter, a former Buffalo police lieutenant,
it wasn't just a fat guy with a flashlight man
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