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re: A hundred school shootings a year wouldn't change my mind

Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23914 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:57 pm to
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If they say picked up rifles and tried to overthrow the government I think The military would have just wasted them.

The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44052 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Do you think the US Government will pull out of then US for political reasons?


Do you understand how an insurgency works? We were there 20 years and they outlasted us.

This assumes the entire US military would turn on the citizenry. Which is laughable.


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The Taliban received weopons from outside the country. Who is supplying you in this situation?


Oh, I dunno, that massive southern border with a country run by narcos that would have no problem flooding the black market with arms and ammunition like the currently do with drugs?



This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55719 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:59 pm to
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That full-auto on the selector really doesn't mean that much.


Means you spend a lot more on ammo.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285341 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:00 pm to
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The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on


:Watches one Michael Bay movie:
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44052 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to
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Means you spend a lot more on ammo.


There's a reason why the US military moved to three round burst from full auto for the average line troop.

Doctrinal reasons of course, but also because you don't have Joe blowing through his entire basic load in a minute.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
83946 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:



Back to the Cubs thread kid
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44052 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:01 pm to
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:


:ignores Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc.:
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7769 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:03 pm to
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Numerous competitive shooting events where an AR-type rifle is required. CMP Camp Perry Open is another big one. Since AR-type rifles can be chambered in more than 200 cartridges from pistol to magnum rifle they can be adapted to hunting any game animal in North America and due to their modular nature a hunter can bring several assembled upper receivers and change them out on the lower within seconds to adapt to whatever situation or hunt. Defensive use is self explanatory, rifles are easier to handle, pack more punch, more ammo, and in the typical .223 Rem/5.56 NATO chambering they are actually less likely to over penetrate residential structures.


That's a lot of wordspeak for saying they are fun to use. Now let me ask you do you really think this should be a reason to keep unfettered access to them if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide. No need I already know your answer.

as far as compromise goes you have made it obvious you will accept none and there in lies the problem. You are okay with losing a few people if you get to have your fun. Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44052 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:04 pm to
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as far as compromise goes


As far as compromise goes, what compromise has your type made since 1934?

I'll sit back and wait.

The compromise has only gone one way.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
38091 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:05 pm to
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The point is insurgency can work. The US military doesn’t have enough man power to police every street and do door to door raids for years on end. Not to mention there would be fracturing on both the military and governmental levels if there ever was a conflict serious and with enough support to turn into a massive civil war. Gun owners probably couldn’t win a war by themselves but it could help the “revolutionary” side to already have an armed populace rather then having to arm them later on


Insurgencies aren't all that straight-forward. Having an armed populace doesn't mean much when that populace also will be fractured, as any civil conflict in the US will be. It's assuming a lot that the armed populace could even be easily controlled by one side or another.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76218 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to
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Do you understand how an insurgency works? We were there 20 years and they outlasted us.


Outlasted. As in we gave up a war we had no reason to keep fighting.

Do you think that would apply to a domestic insurgency? Where we have a reason to keep fighting?

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This assumes the entire US military would turn on the citizenry. Which is laughable.


I think The logistics would fail.

You would need to seize control of the entire supply line for munitions, feeding yourselves would be an issue. And ultimately people are going to decide against the assholes Who decided to frick up the status quo so they could play soldier.

And again, I don’t Think any of y’all would actually do it. It’s a good thing the election board was taken down because there were hundreds of ice cold key board warrior takes.

But again, the argument that you need guns to defend the right to have guns is clearly circular. A huge chunk of the population (who happen to mostly be the 2A supporting types) believe the election was literally stolen and they didn’t do anything. So I guess owning a gun trumps fair elections?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17806 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to
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There's a reason why the US military moved to three round burst from full auto for the average line troop.


The reserve medical unit I work for got all new M4A1's and they are all full-auto... I don't know why for a bunch of medics but what's good for the goose...
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23914 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:06 pm to
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:Watches one Michael Bay movie:

How about you pay attention to history? What happened in Vietnam? It was pretty much a civil war. In civil wars and many other defensive conflicts armed citizenry is used. Wouldn’t it help your side if you had millions of armed citizens fighting with you?
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44052 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:07 pm to
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It's assuming a lot that the armed populace could even be easily controlled by one side or another.


When shite hits the fan, I'll be setting myself up as Warlord of Sonic. Anyone who disputes my claim can feel free to meet me there.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
21556 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:07 pm to
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if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide.


It won't.

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Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be




Lies.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
38091 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:09 pm to
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When shite hits the fan, I'll be setting myself up as Warlord of Sonic. Anyone who disputes my claim can feel free to meet me there




People would no doubt use a Kohl's as an operational headquarters.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
47059 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:11 pm to
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A huge chunk of the population (who happen to mostly be the 2A supporting types) believe the election was literally stolen and they didn’t do anything. So I guess owning a gun trumps fair elections?

Taking away guns would lead to a full on revolution

Also props for not bringing up 1/6
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
23914 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:12 pm to
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And ultimately people are going to decide against the assholes Who decided to frick up the status quo so they could play soldier.

What if the ruling government is the actual one to fricked the status quo and actual tyrannical? Maybe they side with the people fighting against that government
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
17806 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:13 pm to
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Now let me ask you do you really think this should be a reason to keep unfettered access to them if it helps curb mass shootings nationwide. No need I already know your answer.


Yes, that is one reason. In case you never read the SCOTUS decision in Heller v. DC:

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the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess firearms independent of service in a state militia and to use firearms for traditionally lawful purposes, including self-defense within the home.


Sporting use is a traditionally lawful purpose. It's not the only purpose, but it is one that is protected. You really don't know the answer, you have no idea about Heller, McDonald, Miller, Caetano, and numerous other cases.

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Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more guns no matter how much you want it to be


Sorry bud the answer to reducing gun violence will never be more gun-control laws no matter how much you want it to be.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160538 posts
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:14 pm to
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Have you ever been intimidated by a grocery store security guard?


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The “hero” security guard who engaged the suspect but was fatally shot was Aaron Salter, a former Buffalo police lieutenant,


it wasn't just a fat guy with a flashlight man
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