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A few of the multitude of problems with LA public education
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:13 am
Yes, things are beyond screwed up. As long as policy makers depend on voters, their decisions will reflect that. The bar cannot be lowered much more.
1) Many lower scoring schools use a grading system called ZAP (Zeroes Aren't Permitted). If a student simply writes his name on a paper and turns it in, he will receive no lower than a 60 on that assignment. This allows a student to do basically nothing and still pass.
2) In many districts, not sure if it's statewide, students in K-3 can't fail unless the parent requests that they be held back. This causes students who don't get fundamental skills in reading and math to be bumped along. By the time they reach me, they can't function.
3) Families/Students are rewarded for being classified SPED. Many families with SPED students receive government benefits simply because they have a child or children who have been classified. The goal of SPED is supposed to be to give students with special needs or learning disabilities help so that they can eventually function in a regular classroom. The motivation is to keep your child in SPED so that you can continue to receive a check. Many SPED students are told to give little to no effort at school so that they can continue to receive government benefits.
I have MANY more, but I'll stop here to avoid the inevitable tl;dr posts from former students who may have fit into one of the categories above.
1) Many lower scoring schools use a grading system called ZAP (Zeroes Aren't Permitted). If a student simply writes his name on a paper and turns it in, he will receive no lower than a 60 on that assignment. This allows a student to do basically nothing and still pass.
2) In many districts, not sure if it's statewide, students in K-3 can't fail unless the parent requests that they be held back. This causes students who don't get fundamental skills in reading and math to be bumped along. By the time they reach me, they can't function.
3) Families/Students are rewarded for being classified SPED. Many families with SPED students receive government benefits simply because they have a child or children who have been classified. The goal of SPED is supposed to be to give students with special needs or learning disabilities help so that they can eventually function in a regular classroom. The motivation is to keep your child in SPED so that you can continue to receive a check. Many SPED students are told to give little to no effort at school so that they can continue to receive government benefits.
I have MANY more, but I'll stop here to avoid the inevitable tl;dr posts from former students who may have fit into one of the categories above.
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:17 am to High C
I wish #1 applied to college
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:17 am to High C
Orleans and East Baton Rouge Parishes are the 2 biggest problems
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:19 am to High C
quote:
1) Many lower scoring schools use a grading system called ZAP (Zeroes Aren't Permitted). If a student simply writes his name on a paper and turns it in, he will receive no lower than a 60 on that assignment. This allows a student to do basically nothing and still pass.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:21 am to yellowfin
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Orleans and East Baton Rouge Parishes are the 2 biggest problems
You're such a racist
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:21 am to High C
Its a cultural, generational, and societal issue. It just feels like in today's day and age, schooling is not at the forefront of most kids' lives. A lot of it stems from lazy/POS parents, and a lot of it stems from kids having too much other shite to occupy their minds. Its the "Why read a book when I can play Call of Duty on Xbox Live for 4 hours" mentality (just as an example).
And it is especially sad to watch it happen in our state, which could not afford to get any worse when it comes to education of our youth.
And it is especially sad to watch it happen in our state, which could not afford to get any worse when it comes to education of our youth.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:23 am to High C
well they are about to get cut so things prob wont get much better
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:26 am to yellowfin
quote:
Orleans and East Baton Rouge Parishes are the 2 biggest problems
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:27 am to High C
THE problem is that it boils down to the family as to whether a child does well in school (outside of any actual learning disabilities). In Louisiana, there are a lot who do not put education first. From inner city shitholes, to redneck backwoods. Learnin' ain't our priority.
Now, there are issues with the schools. My dad taught for ~30 years, needed 3 more years to get "drop" or whatever they call it in their retirement. He made it like a year and a half and said he couldn't take it. Schools are graded on reducing the number of expulsions and failings. So, their solution is to just not expel or fail students and then receive a good grade. The poor education and discipline problems are still there, but if you don't acknowledge them, they don't exist on your school's "report card".
Now, there are issues with the schools. My dad taught for ~30 years, needed 3 more years to get "drop" or whatever they call it in their retirement. He made it like a year and a half and said he couldn't take it. Schools are graded on reducing the number of expulsions and failings. So, their solution is to just not expel or fail students and then receive a good grade. The poor education and discipline problems are still there, but if you don't acknowledge them, they don't exist on your school's "report card".
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:30 am to High C
This state is full of stupid mouth breathers. They breed and have more stupid mouth breathers. No amount of money or quality of teachers can change the fact that we're already starting off at the bottom.
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:52 am to KG6
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Schools are graded on reducing the number of expulsions and failings. So, their solution is to just not expel or fail students and then receive a good grade. The poor education and discipline problems are still there, but if you don't acknowledge them, they don't exist on your school's "report card".
Exactly.
More specifically, SPED students cannot be suspended for more that 9 days per school year. Once they reach 9, they basically have to commit a felony to be removed from school.
Schools are allocated a quota on the number of minority student suspensions they can have. After the quota is reached, there's not much you can do to them. Teachers love this one.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:55 am to High C
Like I said, my dad had another job offered to him and particularly hated this one class he had to teach full of the "less quality" students. He up and quit in the middle of the year he was so tired of dealing with it.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:08 am to KG6
I don't blame him. Teachers are retiring in record numbers, and, believe it or not, people aren't lining up to replace them. The number of non-certified teachers that districts are forced to hire because of this is growing rapidly.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:13 am to High C
That is not quite correct. A special education student can be suspended out of school for a total of 10 days without needing to do a manifestation determination. If a student is put up for expulsion the admin must conduct a manifestation determination to ensure that behavior is not related to the disability.
It is such a lengthy process that most lazy admins wont go through the process. If the behavior is related to the disability then the student can't be disciplined. (Think, suspending a student with tourette's syndrome for profanity.)
I guess my point is that you can discipline a SPED kid if you follow proper process and ensure that it is justified.
It is such a lengthy process that most lazy admins wont go through the process. If the behavior is related to the disability then the student can't be disciplined. (Think, suspending a student with tourette's syndrome for profanity.)
I guess my point is that you can discipline a SPED kid if you follow proper process and ensure that it is justified.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:20 am to High C
The biggest problem in all public schools is the reliance on state and federal government for funding. The agencies at those levels do not have the resources to oversee how their money gets spent. So they apply metrics to determine funding levels for local schools. Many of those metrics are arbitrary and have zero relation to actual learning by the students.
Thus, the more reliant a school district is on state and federal funding the more the schools will focus on those arbitrary metrics as opposed to actual classroom achievement by the students. Concerned parents are the only group that can hold local school districts accountable. So when you combine a lack of parental interest with the perverse incentives of state and federal funding, it is a small wonder that public education gets such poor results.
Thus, the more reliant a school district is on state and federal funding the more the schools will focus on those arbitrary metrics as opposed to actual classroom achievement by the students. Concerned parents are the only group that can hold local school districts accountable. So when you combine a lack of parental interest with the perverse incentives of state and federal funding, it is a small wonder that public education gets such poor results.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:24 am to LSU2001
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That is not quite correct. A special education student can be suspended out of school for a total of 10 days without needing to do a manifestation determination. If a student is put up for expulsion the admin must conduct a manifestation determination to ensure that behavior is not related to the disability.
It is such a lengthy process that most lazy admins wont go through the process. If the behavior is related to the disability then the student can't be disciplined. (Think, suspending a student with tourette's syndrome for profanity.)
I guess my point is that you can discipline a SPED kid if you follow proper process and ensure that it is justified.
What does the SPED student learn from this process?
In my experience, manifestation determinations are skewed to the advantage of the student. I can't remember one in which the behavior was NOT deemed a result of the disability. Administrators know this, thus they usually avoid them.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:28 am to BRgetthenet
quote:I love my kids schools.
BRgetthenet
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:34 am to High C
they don't learn a thing except that they can get away with pretty much anything. I sure as hell don't agree with the process only that it can be done. But with that said, you can thank the Feds for that stuff not the state. Also the dis-proportionality bullshite about too many minorities getting disciplined. If more minorities are committing offenses then they should be disciplined period!
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:45 am to LSU2001
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they don't learn a thing except that they can get away with pretty much anything
That was my point. They then carry that thought process into real life.
I wasn't calling you out.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:54 am to High C
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3) Families/Students are rewarded for being classified SPED. Many families with SPED students receive government benefits simply because they have a child or children who have been classified.
Simply being classified as being in special Ed does not qualify a child for disability payments. Specific scores on IQ tests or academic achievement tests are used. A simple special Ed label does not do it.
With that said, no doubt the educational system is flawed.
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