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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157

Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:42 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:42 pm to
Quanta had a flight that experienced similar problems at cruising altitude an an A330

LINK
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:46 pm to
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an A330

the Airbus is a fricked up flying machine, don't know what's up with the Max yet but I've always been an if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going type of guy, the way Airbus gives those GEO Metros of the air away we don't always have much choice
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:46 pm to
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2 hull losses, almost 350 dead, within 6 months, and both in the same regime of flight. I don’t think it is knee jerk reactions.



2 airlines from 3rd world countries. End the end this is going to boil down to training issues. You skimp on training, SIM time is hugely expensive, and bad things happen. Lionair has had a hard time keeping their 737-800's in one piece. The MAX, aside from the fuselage is a completely different, and far more technical aircraft.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3654 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:49 pm to
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guess not


You can’t fly for a Us carrier without certain citizenship status. I don’t know what drives it, RLA, Jones Act, etc. and I don’t know the exact status one has to be in to get a FAA certificate.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:52 pm to
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You can’t fly for a Us carrier without certain citizenship status. I


easier for aliens to get jobs here than for 'murcans to get hired by foreign carriers, the good ones anyhow
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:54 pm to
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777tiger
I have another book rec for you on top of Cockpit Confidential.

Have you read Joe Sutter’s book? (Sutter is the “father of the 747”) It’s one of the best books I have ever read. Really gave me insight into the level of design detail and safety culture at Boeing.

747: Creating the World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:57 pm to
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Really gave me insight into the level of design detail and safety culture at Boeing.


that plane was an engineering marvel, and done without the aid of computers in a very tight time constraint, Boeing hired a bunch of engineers that had designed the Convair 990 for that, which was another pretty cool jet, btw
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:58 pm to
I know that the Regionals can hire Australians with an E3 Visa due to a provision negotiated in a trade deal.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:59 pm to
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I know that the Regionals can hire Australians with an E3 Visa due to a provision negotiated in a trade deal.

the floodgates have been open for foreigners here for decades
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:03 pm to
Reuters report says that the plane was smoking, shuddering, and trailing debris and billowing smoke on the way down. These are from a witness which is obviously not the most reliable source but if theres any truth to the eye witness account it sounds more like a terrorist event/major mechanical failure/bird strike etc, than a computer driven flight control issue.
Posted by Saintsisit
Member since Jan 2013
5246 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:24 pm to
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sounds more like a terrorist event/major mechanical failure/bird strike etc


I've read multiple reports that the pilot had asked for and was granted return to the airport, which would lead to mechanical. Pilot asks to return for mechanical difficulties
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
6231 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:28 pm to
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I agree with the tweet


How??
"We do not have any basis to issue new guidance to operators". 2 planes crashing in 6 months isn't a basis?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:28 pm to
Yeah this one was close to the airport.

Maybe hit by a stinger
Posted by Fishwater
Carcosa
Member since Aug 2010
6050 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:29 pm to
Let's go back to Vietnam vets flying mad dog's (MD80 series) plane through the sky. Those guys knew how to fly that bird.
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36222 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:37 pm to
You should read the book. Not only did they complete the marvel without the aid of computers in a very tight time constraint; they also thought at that time that supersonic transport jets like the Concorde would be the latest and greatest in commercial travel and Boeing put a huge portion of its workforce into the development of the 2407 (which was later cancelled; wide-bodies obviously ended up winning the designation of the latest and greatest in commercial travel). Sutter, who was put in charge of the 747 program, had to fight every step of the way to get more engineers and resources; his decisions along the way helped to shape the program and make it as successful as it was. They were also pushing for a double-decker like the A380 has now, but he stuck to his guns on making a single-deck fuselage, much to the disappointment of Juan Trippe of Pan Am, who drove the project from a client perspective. Anyway, Sutter made many decisions that were not popular from a political perspective (e.g. his engine brand selection), but he always put safety and engineering first and everything else second. I really enjoyed his accounts of the design process in the context of everything else going on in the country and in the aviation world. He also recounted his experience as one of the 14 experts appointed to the Rogers Commission, investigating the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Waffle House
NYC
Member since Aug 2008
3984 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:39 pm to
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Let's go back to Vietnam vets flying mad dog's (MD80 series) plane through the sky. Those guys knew how to fly that bird.


Back? Just jump on one of the 100's of Delta flights daily to get your fill.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:40 pm to
wut?
Posted by RedFoxx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2009
6743 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:40 pm to
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pilot had asked for and was granted return to the airport


Same situation with the LionAir 737 Max incident in Indonesia.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:42 pm to
Those dudes are all gone now bae
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24080 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 3:46 pm to
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Sutter made many decisions that were not popular from a political perspective (e.g. his engine brand selection), but he always put safety and engineering first and everything else second.


Not that the 747 didn't end up being successful, but I can't say I'm surprised that Sutter's book says Sutter was the hero of the story and not the obstinate engineer who made everyone's lives harder even if proven wrong. Either way is possible unless someone else wrote the same thing.
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