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Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:25 am to When in Rome
I agree with the tweet
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:27 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I'd be buying $BA if it hadn't had a crazy run up since December
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:37 am to OchoDedos
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There's also a political angle to this, especially in Europe. UK, Germany, France, and Spain are the major players in Airbus with massive government subsidies.
UK and Germany have banned the 737 MAX from their airspaces.
I'm hearing Ireland and Australia has grounded the MAX 8 as well.
Honestly, the FAA should have grounded them PERIOD already. The fact that they did not is disappointing and indicative of the political power Boeing has with the FAA.
Example: I work in rotary wing aviation. The Airbus H225 had 2 crashes, and was quickly grounded worldwide except in France. Even after they completed the investigations and 'fixed' the problem, it remains blacklisted in many countries and for many customers. Only the French are resistant to ban it.
We're doing the same thing right now; protecting Boeing at the expense of passenger safety. I wouldn't fly in a Max 8 or Max 9 or Max anything right now. There is nothing that separates the MCAS on the 8 from the 9 that I know of.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 10:39 am
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:40 am to OchoDedos
Well with the president of the United States screwing Boeing with his tweets, Europe doesn’t have to do much.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:42 am to RedRifle
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Well with the president of the United States screwing Boeing with his tweets, Europe doesn’t have to do much.
Boeing screwed themselves. These aircraft should have been grounded yesterday. You don't conduct an investigation of 2 aircraft nose diving into the ground within 2 years of entry to service and then decide to ground after the investigation. You ground them and then investigate.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:42 am to cokebottleag
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indicative of the political power Boeing has with the FAA.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:44 am to jeff5891
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:45 am to When in Rome
The FAA is going to have to end up grounding the MAX at some point. The longer they wait, the more reputation they shed at this point.
This is embarrassing.
This is embarrassing.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:49 am to cokebottleag
It's so interesting to see this play out on the global stage. It seems as if pretty much everyone but the US and Canada is grounding the 737 MAX.
Whether or not they should is definitely a legitimate question (it seems like a sort of knee-jerk response to the public outcry more than a response to any conclusions reached by the investigating bodies/agencies), but it definitely doesn't do much for public perception to be the last two holdouts. I wonder how this is all going to end up.
Whether or not they should is definitely a legitimate question (it seems like a sort of knee-jerk response to the public outcry more than a response to any conclusions reached by the investigating bodies/agencies), but it definitely doesn't do much for public perception to be the last two holdouts. I wonder how this is all going to end up.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 10:51 am to When in Rome
I agree. It really is a fascinating drama. Better than the movie would be. Boeing corporate really are a bunch of PR novices. They should have jumped in front of this immediately.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 11:01 am to When in Rome
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Whether or not they should is definitely a legitimate question (it seems like a sort of knee-jerk response to the public outcry more than a response to any conclusions reached by the investigating bodies/agencies), but it definitely doesn't do much for public perception to be the last two holdouts. I wonder how this is all going to end up.
Not knee jerk at all.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 11:57 am to OchoDedos
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UK and Germany have banned the 737 MAX from their airspaces.
Yeah this is laughable and a clear political move. Has anyone died on the ground from these two crashes? I mean come on. Its not like one of these crashed into a major metropolitan area.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:03 pm to When in Rome
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it seems like a sort of knee-jerk response to the public outcry more than a response to any conclusions reached by the investigating bodies/agencies
2 hull losses, almost 350 dead, within 6 months, and both in the same regime of flight. I don’t think it is knee jerk reactions.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:03 pm to cokebottleag
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The FAA is going to have to end up grounding the MAX at some point.
Apparently the FAA forced Boeing to add the MCAS software for certification. All about liability at this point, who is gonna get sued.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:20 pm to Cosmo
Yeah their legal counsel is working overtime right now.
Can only imagine the number of conference calls
Can only imagine the number of conference calls
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:26 pm to hottub
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2 hull losses, almost 350 dead, within 6 months, and both in the same regime of flight. I don’t think it is knee jerk reactions.
The first was related to pilot error though right? And this recent crash the FO had 200-400 hours only?
I know why Boeing's not saying anything, but someone sure as hell should be pointing this out.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:35 pm to hottub
Boeing had a similar problem with a valve that caused rudder movement back in the 90s. They blamed pilot response and in one crash a "rogue wind".
I remember being pretty uptight about flying on 737s for a long time as it's the only aircraft that services Juneau
I remember being pretty uptight about flying on 737s for a long time as it's the only aircraft that services Juneau
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They blamed pilot response and in one crash a "rogue wind".
yeah, there were three that I recall, UAL, and two USAirs, wacky rudder actuators
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:40 pm to 777Tiger
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They blamed pilot response and in one crash a "rogue wind".
yeah, there were three that I recall, UAL, and two USAirs, wacky rudder actuators
Yep, think there was at least one other in which the crew retained control. Made me tighten up every time the aircraft would roll
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