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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157

Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:45 pm to
Posted by chitiger91
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:45 pm to
So i just looked at my flight info for my flight to nola in a couple of weeks, the plane is a United 737-800, I’m guessing this is the Max and I should go ahead and get my affairs in order prior to boarding correct?

Obviously a joke but not really
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:47 pm to
The powers that be will do everything in their power to blame accidents on pilot error.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:48 pm to
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737-800,


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Max

no
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3654 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:51 pm to
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The first was related to pilot error though right? And this recent crash the FO had 200-400 hours only?

I know why Boeing's not saying anything, but someone sure as hell should be pointing this out.




Not at all. The Lion Air aircraft had pitot tube issues on previous flights.

As already stated, pilots will always be the first blamed.

IMO, the 737 has evolved into something far different that the original design. Instead of having only differences training, a new type rating should have been issued for the newer 737 designs.
Posted by chitiger91
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
3120 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:52 pm to
WHEEEEEWWWWWW
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:53 pm to
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WHEEEEEWWWWWW


but they could substitute equipment at the last minute, prayers sent
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19456 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:57 pm to
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WHEEEEEWWWWWW





Not so fast my friend


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Federal authorities say a United Airlines flight declared an emergency when an engine shut down as the plane was descending into Houston.
Flight 1168 was carrying 174 passengers and six crew members when engine trouble began late Sunday as the plane neared George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston. The Boeing 737-900


Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:58 pm to
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Greg Feith NTSB comments on Atlas Air crash Gregory Allen "Greg" Feith is an American former Senior Air Safety Investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). Today on Denver News Channel 9, while commenting on the 737 Max crashes, Greg Feith said this, verbatim: “...and a lot of carriers overseas, they are so automation dependent that they don’t know, based on their training, when to intervene, and if there is a problem they continue to try to use the automation. We’ve seen that now in three accidents. Lion Air, Ethiopian, and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston. The automation was still coupled, the pilots didn’t hand fly the airplane when they lost control and even through the recovery they were fighting the automation.”
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:00 pm to
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and in fact, Atlas Air, the one that crashed in Houston.



Were the pilots foreign ?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:01 pm to
training is dumbed down for "certain" international markets, they are trained to use automation and can actually be reprimanded for not using it, not a lot of experience, or much of a pool to draw from
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8334 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:12 pm to
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Were the pilots foreign ?


The plane was owned by Amazon. The pilots were probably Indian.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
989 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:13 pm to
They should have built a next gen 757.
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
989 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:14 pm to
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The plane was owned by Amazon. The pilots were probably Indian.



Atlas Air owned, amazon just leases them, and the pilots are not foreigners.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
91887 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:14 pm to
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The plane was owned by Amazon.

contracted by Amazon, but the vacuum created by the hiring boom at the big airlines diminishes the experience level at stepping stone flying jobs
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
36222 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:16 pm to
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They should have built a next gen 757.
Isn't the upcoming 797 supposed to replace the 757 and 767?
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19456 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:16 pm to
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The plane was owned by Amazon. The pilots were probably Indian.



guess not






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Atlas Air Capt. Ricky Blakely was killed when Atlas Air flight 3591 crashed into the shallow waters of Trinity Bay on Saturday, Feb. 23, 2019


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Blakely, Capt. Sean Archuleta and First Officer Conrad Jules Aska all died when Atlas Air flight 3591 crashed into the shallow, murky waters of Trinity Bay around noon Feb. 23.

Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8334 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:18 pm to
Jeez. It was a joke about amazon outsourced employees.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:20 pm to
I believe the 737-700/800 are the safest commercial planes in history
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19456 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:24 pm to
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Jeez. It was a joke about amazon outsourced employees.


I understood that, just curious to see if the pilots were indeed foreigners. Looks like one may be Columbian and the other from the Caribbean.
Posted by busbeepbeep
When will then be now?
Member since Jan 2004
19510 posts
Posted on 3/12/19 at 1:33 pm to
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So i just looked at my flight info for my flight to nola in a couple of weeks, the plane is a United 737-800, I’m guessing this is the Max and I should go ahead and get my affairs in order prior to boarding correct?

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/UAL
https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SWA

B38M is the 737 MAX 8
B737 is 737-700
B738 is 737-800
B730 is 739-900


Max 8s make up 5% of Southwest fleet
35 out of 755
they supposedly already shorthanded planewise with the maintenance issues... ground those 35 and surely plenty more cancellations
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