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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:01 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 3/12/19 at 4:01 pm to cokebottleag
Sutter's book doesn't say he is the hero of the story. In fact, over and over again, he attributes much of its success to the people on his team and gives credit to them by name where it's due. Still, his account of the program, and the obstacles he faced and overcame while trying to ensure its success, are quite impressive no matter how you slice it. 
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Posted on 3/12/19 at 5:22 pm to When in Rome
quote:
BREAKING: The FAA says that the Boeing 737 MAX "shows no systemic performance issues and provides no basis to order grounding the aircraft" - CNBC
Posted on 3/12/19 at 8:24 pm to GEAUXmedic
AOA issues aside, a plane with that problem wouldnt be smoking or have debris trailing from it prior to crashing, would it?
LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/12/19 at 11:10 pm to halleburton
Terrorism
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:50 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Exactly. Never mind the fact that airplanes weren’t dropping out of the sky before the Max came along.
The powers that be will do everything in their power to blame accidents on pilot error.
But it’s the pilots. Sure.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 12:55 am to halleburton
Looking at an altitude graphic it showed the plane was climbing erratically the last three minutes of the flight before nosing over.
Not a pilot but just looking at the graph IMHO it could either have been the same MCAS issue and the crew fighting the AC or possibly an uncontained engine loss resulting in severe structural damage to the plane.
Obviously this is a SWAG with very limited info, but the altitude graphic was pretty unstable between 7,000 and the highest altitude achieved (8,600) before heading down
Looking again it shows the plane, after a roughly 500 ft dip over the span of @ 30 secs reversed and gained 800 ft over the following 20 secs.
More probable data for the crew fighting the AC due to the MCAS issue?
Not a pilot but just looking at the graph IMHO it could either have been the same MCAS issue and the crew fighting the AC or possibly an uncontained engine loss resulting in severe structural damage to the plane.
Obviously this is a SWAG with very limited info, but the altitude graphic was pretty unstable between 7,000 and the highest altitude achieved (8,600) before heading down
Looking again it shows the plane, after a roughly 500 ft dip over the span of @ 30 secs reversed and gained 800 ft over the following 20 secs.
More probable data for the crew fighting the AC due to the MCAS issue?
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 1:02 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 1:23 am to Ghost of Colby
quote:
There is a great big world out there. Throw a dart at a map, get on a plane and fly to wherever the dart lands. You won’t regret it.
This is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read. Congrats
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:37 am to GEAUXmedic
Reuters
quote:
The Ethiopian Airlines pilot whose jet crashed killing 157 people had reported flight-control problems, the company said on Wednesday, as it prepared to send the black boxes to Europe from a disaster that has rocked the global airline industry.
quote:Ethiopia is currently deciding which European country to send the blackboxes to for analysis. Interesting that they did not go with the US for CVR and FDR analysis.
“In fact he was allowed to turn back,” he said, adding that a decision where in Europe to send the black boxes would be taken by Thursday. Authorities in France and Britain said they had not been approached yet.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:38 am to When in Rome
Per Reuters Twitter:
quote:
JUST IN: Norwegian Air says it expects Boeing to compensate it for lost revenue from the grounding of its fleet of 737 MAX aircraft $BA
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:40 am to When in Rome
We are witnessing global distrust in our institutions. Not good.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:42 am to When in Rome
quote:Not really surprising. The Europeans have been heavily involved in much of Aftica for a long time and still maintain close relationships with the governments. Not sure on the specifics of Ethiopia or their history to be honest. If I had to guess they’ll be sending the FDR to France.
Ethiopia is currently deciding which European country to send the blackboxes to for analysis. Interesting that they did not go with the US for CVR and FDR analysis.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:42 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Well that makes a lot of sense.
ETA: with all of the economic and public pressure resulting from these crashes and groundings, I can imagine that they will push to have these investigations complete in a timely manner. I wonder what the economic repercussions would be from a multi-week grounding of these planes.
ETA: with all of the economic and public pressure resulting from these crashes and groundings, I can imagine that they will push to have these investigations complete in a timely manner. I wonder what the economic repercussions would be from a multi-week grounding of these planes.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:50 am to When in Rome
Why don’t you just get a job in the aviation industry?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I am thinking about it 
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:This is interesting; I thought MCAS is only supposed to function when autopilot is disengaged. Is there another system that would pitch the nose down while autopilot is engaged?
US pilots who fly the Boeing 737 Max have registered complaints about the way the jet has performed in flight, according to a federal database accessed by CNN. In one of the complaints, a captain reported an autopilot anomaly which led to a brief nose-down situation -- where the front of the aircraft pointed down, according to the federal database. In another complaint, a first officer reported that the aircraft pitched nose down after the autopilot was engaged during departure. The autopilot was then disconnected and flight continued to its destination, according to the database.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 9:03 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:45 am to When in Rome
This is a good article summarizing the 737 MAX situation from its inception to now, post-crashes/groundings.
The Air Current
The Air Current
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
NY Times
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American air safety experts are trying to persuade their Ethiopian counterparts not to send the flight data to crash investigators in London, The Wall Street Journal reported. Instead, they want it examined by the National Transportation Safety Board in the United States.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:49 am to When in Rome
Sounds shady. But honestly I trust the guys at the NTSB to examine and report the factual data over Europeans.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:I agree.
But honestly I trust the guys at the NTSB to examine and report the factual data over Europeans.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Shady indeed.
I can only imagine Airbus's influence over on that side of the pond and the resulting "findings".
I can only imagine Airbus's influence over on that side of the pond and the resulting "findings".
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