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re: 50 employees fired after refusing flu shot

Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:54 pm to
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. Some people come out with bones wrong some people come out with brains wrong. Sometimes both. Eventually we'll find the common cluster like we've been for other development disorders.


Now I think we agree. Look fellas, my only point is that I don't trust the medical industry and there's lots of reasons to be cautious. Whenever there's a profit motive involved credibility is going to be Central.

I'm very much of the mentality that if it ain't broke don't fix it. All the things these kids get vaccinated for, I'm not really concerned with when it comes to my kids. But I am very concerned with potential side effects of the vaccinations. If they were to get chicken pox, mumps, Etc I would treat it then with the help of the Miracles of modern science but the potential risks are a bigger concern to me than the probability of actually Contracting these viruses and their rather inocuos or non-existent long-term effects or risk of fatality.

They begged my wife to get the vitamin K shot for our kids when they were born. I did a little digging and the chances of there being a fatality are Slimmer than the chance of being struck by lightning, while riding on a great white shark on your birthday
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8320 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:56 pm to
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People who get the flu shot are 40-60% less likely to get the flu than those who go without it. Additionally, those who get the flu shot and still get the flu have milder cases than those who go without it.


Yes, but your risk doesn't go from 100% to 50%.

It goes from 2% to 1%.

Hardly significant.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 12:58 pm to
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I’m very close to developing an autism vaccine.


Do you know this for sure?

Do we know ANYTHING for sure? How can we be so sure?

Personally, I have decided to question EVERYTHING. Makes me sound pretty dang cool, smart and edgy doesn't it? Especially when I question things that I'm not an expert in and actually question the experts. Because, I mean, what do they really know?

As to your earlier question, Rebel. Yes. But all I do is push numbers around so the really smart folks can do what they do.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 1:03 pm
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:03 pm to
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Why is it "blind trust" when we use studies from the CDC, but acting on your gut instinct gives you some sort of enlightened high ground?


Because I'm not making any claims of certainty. I'm only claiming that I don't know and that I'm a constant skeptic. That's a healthy viewpoint to have. It's dangerous to believe, in lockstep, and everything you're ever told regardless of the source
Posted by schwartzy
New Orleans
Member since May 2014
10085 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:04 pm to
Does the flu shot hurt?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144684 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:05 pm to
Well now knowing you work at one of the world leaders in reaearch and your employer thinks it prudent to require and furnish flu shots for its employees, it’s probably a pretty damn good idea for me to get one.

I’ll be stopping in some time next week to pick up Christmas cards I send to our customers.

You work at a truly special place.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:07 pm to
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All the things these kids get vaccinated for, I'm not really concerned with when it comes to my kids.


So you don’t think being paralyzed because you have polio is a thing to be concerned about? Do you realize how contagious polio was and how scary it was to parents in the early 50s? Imagine no vaccine had come along.

My father got polio as a kid (BEFORE the vaccine was available). He’s one of the lucky ones in that while he was permanently disfigured from it....he just had to completely relearn how to walk as a child after being wheelchair bound for a little bit. I just saw an article recently about grown adults that got polio as kids that STILL rely on iron lungs to breathe.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:08 pm to
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Does the flu shot hurt?


No. Not in the least. At least I've never felt it.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:08 pm to
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You work at a truly special place.


Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9871 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:11 pm to
How does anyone know what's actually in the vaccine?

Serious question.

They could be injecting you with saline, whatever, and you'd be none the wiser.

I trust nobody, so I'll pass and join the lawsuit.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
34315 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:16 pm to
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Good. If you're going to put patients at risk you don't deserve to work in healthcare

lulz
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:16 pm to
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The strains for the vaccine are selected so far in advance that even if influenza virus didn't mutate at a high level, it'd still be highly unlikely to succeed.


Make up your mind - if going from 2% to 1% is insignificant, how is going form 2% to 0% significantly better?

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:17 pm to
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How does anyone know what's actually in the vaccine? Serious question. They could be injecting you with saline, whatever, and you'd be none the wiser. I trust nobody, so I'll pass and join the lawsuit.


Do you take any medicine of any kind?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:26 pm to
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And you know this for sure? Were you part of some untainted research team that was truly independent and self-funded?

Please don't quote me some article from some Institution such as the CDC which document after document has shown to be an unreliable and Industry biased source. Not always of course. But certainly from time to time and I don't know about you but once somebody violates my trust it's very hard to earn it back.


I mean, if facts from medical professionals aren't going to convince you, what would? Obviously, you're the type of person who is so irrationally skeptical, you will find an issue with any report placed in front of you.

There is no link between vaccines and autism. None.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:27 pm to
I see Captain Moron has logged off.


He must be busy preparing for his rocket launch this weekend to prove the Earth is flat.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:28 pm to
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I see Captain Moron has logged off.



Unfortunate.

I'm just saying. There is a difference between being a healthy skeptic and a conspiracy nut.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144684 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:29 pm to
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There is no link between vaccines and autism. None.


I don’t know. Kige got a flu shot back in 84.
Posted by RummelTiger
Official TD Sauces Club Member
Member since Aug 2004
94053 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:07 pm to
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Companies are low key planting tracking devices in employees under the guise of flu shots.


We...er, they can track you in much less expensive, and more efficient means than implanting something in you...
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 2:23 pm to
Right?

I'm noticing though that putting these people on blast here is making them shrink away.

I've always been the don't debate them type guy but maybe hounding in the most abrasive manner is the way to go.

Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8320 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:32 pm to
I don't understand your question.

If there were a vaccine that eliminated all strains of influenza from the face of the earth, of course that would be significant and a worthy thing to do.

Much like polio vaccines were a worthy thing to do.

Call me when this is the case for influenza.
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