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re: 5 Officers shot in Houston
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:28 pm to nola000
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:28 pm to nola000
quote:Even if they ARE being "more targeted" now, the perps are doing a piss poor job of it. It is radically safer to be a cop now than it was 30-50 years ago.
Cops are not being targeted more now than in the past.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:30 pm to OweO
Scene now secured. Unsure of third suspect.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:31 pm to Big Scrub TX
There are some very recent trends of an uptick in violence against police, and in certain cities (2017 to present). Many are citing the effect of Black Lives Matters and other anti-police rhetoricians.
I’ll look to see if I can find the stats.
Also, people should be aware that crime stats are being politicized more than ever, and falsification is happening on a large scale.
Having said that, I don’t think that police shootings/killings is a stat that is affected by this trend very much of at all.
I’ll look to see if I can find the stats.
Also, people should be aware that crime stats are being politicized more than ever, and falsification is happening on a large scale.
Having said that, I don’t think that police shootings/killings is a stat that is affected by this trend very much of at all.
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:32 pm to OweO
Still getting the downvotes, huh?
I don't normally do this but sometimes you just have to rub the dogs nose in shite.
I don't normally do this but sometimes you just have to rub the dogs nose in shite.
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No-knock warrants have been controversial for various reasons. There have been cases where burglars have robbed homes by pretending to be officers with a no-knock warrant. There have been many cases where armed homeowners, believing that they are being invaded, have shot at officers, resulting in deaths on both sides.
Phonesavanh Case
In Cornelia, Georgia, a police informant alleged that he had bought $50 of methamphetamine from Wanis Thonetheva, a 30-year-old dealer at a residence belonging to Amanda Thonetheva, his mother. The dealer did not reside at the house, which contained no drugs or weapons, though a family with four young children lived in the house.[6] Sheriff's Deputy Nikki Autry secured a no-knock warrant after awaking a county magistrate at his home and making inaccurate sworn statements to him.[1]
Police executed a no-knock, pre-dawn raid at 2:25am, with a SWAT team breaching a door with a ram and throwing a flash-bang stun grenade into a room with a 19 month old child. The grenade exploded inside the infant's crib, igniting the crib and his pillow, causing "blast burn injuries to the face and chest; a complex laceration of the nose, upper lip and face; 20% of the right upper lip missing; the external nose being separated from the underlying bone; and a large avulsion burn injury to the chest with a resulting left pulmonary contusion and sepsis"[7]
The infant was placed in a medically induced coma, and needed a series of surgeries that cost more than a million dollars, becoming the subject of a lawsuit against the police department to pay medical bills. The legal case argued that children's toys, including a plastic child's pool were in the yard and the packaging for the play-pen the infant was sleeping in was next to the door the police breached, and the lawsuit alleges that police are "plainly incompetent" for failing to know that children were in the room.
The search yielded no drugs, no drug dealer and no weapons, and the drug dealer was arrested the next day without the use of flash-bang grenades.
The civil lawsuit was eventually settled, with the county paying $3.6 million, including approximately $1.65 million in pain and suffering.[8] A Habersham County, Georgia grand jury declined to indict any of the participants, but did release a strongly worded report.[1] Federal prosecutors then secured an indictment against Deputy Autry.[1] She was acquitted of any wrongdoing by a federal jury after a weeklong trial.[1]
Other examples
Kathryn Johnston (1914–2006) was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman shot by three undercover police officers in her home on November 21, 2006, after she fired one shot at the ceiling, assuming her home was being invaded. While the officers were wounded by friendly fire, none of the officers received life-threatening injuries, but Johnston was killed by their gunfire.[4]
Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street.[9][10]
Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[11][12]
Ismael Mena was shot and killed by SWAT team officers in Denver, Colorado, who were performing a no-knock raid that was approved by a judge acting on false information contained in a search warrant. The police believed there to be drugs in the house, but no drugs were found on the premises, and it was later revealed that the address given to the SWAT team by officer Joseph Bini was the wrong one. Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas investigated the matter and cleared the officers involved with the raid on the grounds that Mena had pointed a gun and fired it at SWAT officers, although who fired first remains in dispute. However, many have objected to the investigation's findings due to inconsistencies in the various officers' account of what happened. The American Civil Liberties Union, and others, have objected to the Denver Police Department's request for a no-knock raid and the judge's decision to allow such a raid on the grounds that they failed to meet the criteria necessary for a no-knock raid.[13]
A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner, David Hooks, during a drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed meth addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. David Hooks' wife, Teresa, looked outside and saw people with hoods on the evening of the raid and woke up her husband. Fearing the burglar or burglars who had struck two nights earlier had returned, Hooks armed himself. Despite the fact that the search warrant did not have a 'no knock' clause, the Drug Task Force and SRT members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered firing in excess of 16 shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon, nor was there any evidence he was involved in drugs. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation conducted an intensive 44-hour search of the property and came up with not one item of contraband.[14]
Hempstead, New York settled claims by Iyanna Davis for $650,000 after police in May 2010 shot her in the breast during their accidental execution of a no-knock warrant on the wrong address. Officer Michael Capobianco explained that he had unintentionally shot the 22-year-old woman after he tripped. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
A Burleson County, Texas grand jury refused to indict Hank Magee for capital murder after he shot and killed a deputy sheriff inside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on December 19, 2013.[15]
In Killeen, Texas, a grand jury indicted Marvin Louis Guy for capital murder after he shot and killed a police detective outside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on May 9, 2014.[15]
In 2013, Tucson, Arizona agreed to settle claims by the family of Jose Guereña for $3.4 million after SWAT officers fired 71 shots in the seven seconds after their unannounced entry. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooters.[1]
In December 2016, a jury in Corpus Christi, Texas acquitted Ray Rosas of attempted capital murder because it concluded that he was unaware the three home intruders he shot were SWAT officers. Prior to his acquittal, Rosas had spent 664 days in jail.[1]
In 2016, Framingham, Massachusetts agreed to settle claims by the family of Eurie Stamps for $3.75 million after SWAT officers shot the 68-year-old in the back while he was compliant and lying on his stomach. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:37 pm to Jimbeaux
quote:This was debunked, even in 2016.
There are some very recent trends of an uptick in violence against police, and in certain cities (2017 to present). Many are citing the effect of Black Lives Matters and other anti-police rhetoricians.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:37 pm to namvet6566
quote:
5 Officers shot in Houston by namvet6566
Dayum... It aint Mayberry no more................
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:43 pm to nola000
Check the dates on those anecdotes. The employment of the dreaded “no knock warrant” has been greatly reduced over the past decade and especially in the past 3 years.
Make no mistake, police departments are under attack, and the end result will be fewer “bad shoots”, and accidental shootings, but also decreased proactive policing, far fewer number of arrests, with increased criminality and violence to follow.
This recent mantra of “we can’t arrest out way out of this” and “let’s not ‘criminalize’ black people” will increase the idea that there is no accountability, and no sense of responsibility on the part of growing numbers of the perpetual victim class.
Make no mistake, police departments are under attack, and the end result will be fewer “bad shoots”, and accidental shootings, but also decreased proactive policing, far fewer number of arrests, with increased criminality and violence to follow.
This recent mantra of “we can’t arrest out way out of this” and “let’s not ‘criminalize’ black people” will increase the idea that there is no accountability, and no sense of responsibility on the part of growing numbers of the perpetual victim class.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
Radically safer. Ok. And you would know this just from your vague "cops killed in the line of duty" stats?
Go tell your agenda to cops. 1974 wasnt safe for reasons I am sure you know. And that makes 2019 safe in the day of internet and 24 hour news fame?
And I said 1990's. And you pull out a 1974 lone wolf year graph about "killed in the line of duty"...not targeted mass attacks Ask the citizens of Baton Rouge, Dallas, Denver, Portland, Minneapolis, Memphis, etc. etc if they feel "radically safer". Just stick with Baton Rouge...when did we have a massive cop shooting spree like July of 2016? Also...how many of your 1974 stats are NYC and L.A. and Chicago?
And I doubled down?? I've seen you taken to the whipping post constantly. It is comical.
Go tell your agenda to cops. 1974 wasnt safe for reasons I am sure you know. And that makes 2019 safe in the day of internet and 24 hour news fame?
And I said 1990's. And you pull out a 1974 lone wolf year graph about "killed in the line of duty"...not targeted mass attacks Ask the citizens of Baton Rouge, Dallas, Denver, Portland, Minneapolis, Memphis, etc. etc if they feel "radically safer". Just stick with Baton Rouge...when did we have a massive cop shooting spree like July of 2016? Also...how many of your 1974 stats are NYC and L.A. and Chicago?
And I doubled down?? I've seen you taken to the whipping post constantly. It is comical.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:45 pm to PiscesTiger
Two suspects dead per news conference
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
This was debunked, even in 2016.
It was disputed by liars who have an agenda of lying, but it certainly was not debunked.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:49 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
But Big Scrub assures us it is a new day because "fewer cops are killed in the line of duty" and they are "radically safer." What is 2 dead?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:50 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:No, from the linked stats about criminally killed police - coupled with the sharp uptick in the overall population.
Radically safer. Ok. And you would know this just from your vague "cops killed in the line of duty" stats?
quote:Why are you so focused on 1974?
Go tell your agenda to cops. 1974 wasnt safe for reasons I am sure you know. And that makes 2019 safe in the day of internet and 24 hour news fame?
quote:I've supplied you with all you need to know to know that you are entirely full of shite.
And I said 1990's. And you pull out a 1974 lone wolf year graph about "killed in the line of duty".
quote:The 19th amendment really did frick us with you.
Ask the citizens of Baton Rouge, Dallas, Denver, Portland, Minneapolis, Memphis, etc. etc if they feel "radically safer". Just stick with Baton Rouge...when did we have a massive cop shooting spree like July of 2016? Also...how many of your 1974 stats are NYC and L.A. and Chicago?
And I doubled down?? I've seen you taken to the whipping post constantly. It is comical.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:52 pm to PiscesTiger
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You and your graph can suck it, you keyboard badass. Cops are targeted far more. Far more in 2019 than 1974. Tell me and find me the stories of the Dallas/Baton Rouge/Houston/Denver scenarios of the past 2 years. No way I believe your fake graph news.
Regardless of your side, it's embarrassing that people like you can vote. I'd same the same of lefties - and there are many - who ignore facts.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:52 pm to PiscesTiger
Take some deep breaths mate
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:53 pm to Big Scrub TX
Not as bad as the 14th fricked us with you.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:55 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
and they are "radically safer.
Based on my most recent reading, cop shootings are already down 20% today. 4 shot instead of 5.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 7:57 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:
Huh?
It is significantly safer to be a cop today that it was twenty years ago. That's a fact.
You act like it's not.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:00 pm to slackster
"Regardless of your side, it's embarrassing that people like you can vote. I'd same the same of lefties - and there are many - who ignore facts."
No I get it. Just couldn't understand half of this drivel. And it is embarrassing that I vote based upon my beliefs of cop safety?
No I get it. Just couldn't understand half of this drivel. And it is embarrassing that I vote based upon my beliefs of cop safety?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 8:03 pm to PiscesTiger
quote:Yes, your absurdly incorrect and uninformed "beliefs" are the problem. Low-information voter.
And it is embarrassing that I vote based upon my beliefs of cop safety?
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