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re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:02 am to CoachChappy
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:02 am to CoachChappy
It’s the same response one always gets when embarking on a weight or fitness plan; “ are you sure about that man, do you think that’s good for you man, I don’t know about that man it doesn’t sound safe”. All the things people say to subconsciously keep people in the status quo that is already killing them.
These drugs work. People get on this drug and get off 3 others. There are side effects. Just like with the meds they were already taking. There will likely be unknown side effects . Releasing a hormone that kills noise in your stomach and brain will likely have all kinds of mood/ psychological/ addiction- related/ compulsion-related effects. As always they will likely be good and bad.
These drugs work. People get on this drug and get off 3 others. There are side effects. Just like with the meds they were already taking. There will likely be unknown side effects . Releasing a hormone that kills noise in your stomach and brain will likely have all kinds of mood/ psychological/ addiction- related/ compulsion-related effects. As always they will likely be good and bad.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:08 am to Ingeniero
Uh oh. The OT is not going to like this.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:09 am to Solo Cam
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Anyone who thinks this is a miracle drug will be sadly disappointed when they find out what it does to bone density and soft tissue. How many times do we have to see this same exact thing play out "Miracle weight loss drug, no side effects" "If you or you're family members have been effected by ozempic, call 1-800..."
Strawman.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:09 am to PGAOLDBawNeVaBroke
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Rightttt appendix ruptures and gallbladder going bad at a very high rate on that crap , study just didn’t see that eh
Study didn’t see that, but PGAOldbaw did? Well frick. I’m sold.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 6:10 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:17 am to BawtHouse
Good post Bawthouse. These meds flat out work.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:19 am to CAD703X
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You can't just take these drugs and sit on the couch correct. You still have to be ready to change your lifestyle but the consistent ongoing weight dropping motivates you mentally as well to keep at it.
All the better if you do, but I know probably a dozen who have done nothing but take the shot, be conscientious of their intake (stop eating when they begin feeling full), and have lost a lot of weight. I’d say 20% weight reduction (40-50#).
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:20 am to Jizzy08
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I think it’s a great thing; giving obese people a chance at turning their life around and helping them live a longer and better quality of life. Is it “cheating”?
Blood pressure meds are also “cheating.” Those pills came online in the 50s. But with the right exercise and the right motivation, all these people on these meds would be completely fine with the right diet and just the right amount of exercise and wouldn’t need them. They will be completely fine. They don’t need any of those pills. Working out 3-5x weekly, regardless of your physical fitness or body ailments, age, fixes absolutely everything no matter what. I don’t know about you guys, but I’ve never seen anyone that works out that many times drop dead out of the blue.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:22 am to Ingeniero
I’m sure the side effect will be cancer after about 10 years of use.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:22 am to BawtHouse
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Bawthouse
Well said.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:24 am to Gifman
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I’m sure the side effect will be cancer after about 10 years of use.
Why do you think that? What have you seen to come to that conclusion?
Now remember, they’ve been studying the GLP-1 receptors since the 70s.
So with your studies and research, how did you come up with the opinion of these shots cause cancer?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:31 am to Jizzy08
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Now the pudgy housewife who wants to lose 10 pounds doesn’t need this drug.
That's going to be the big difference here. Lazy mom of 3 that wants to lose 10-15, hell even 30lbs vs someone clinically obese that needs to lose 100+
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:36 am to Solo Cam
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Do what you want, it's s free country. But if you believe it's a miracle weight loss pill and there won't be any side effects I have some ocean front property in Nebraska you would be interested in that comes with a bottle of snake oil that'll solve baldness.
Wrong. Been around for decades. Extremely safe and studied over time. This drug targets a deficiency of an existing hormone. Obesity is largely(but not entirely) driven by a deficiency of GLP-1, a naturally occurring hormone in our bodies. GLP-1 agonists trigger the increase of production of this hormone to make it rise to more normal levels.
Think about it differently. If your AC stopped cycling on when the temp rose too far above the temp setting, would you get that fixed? Of course. Wegovy(and other GLP-1 agonists) simply do the same thing. They intervene to fight the natural deficiency.
When a patient has a GLP-1 deficiency, the sensation of hunger is not regulated properly and patients report “food noise.” For most, this “food noise” is not able to be overcome by will power, fad diets, “move more eat less,” etc.
Bariatric surgeries and medical weight loss treatment(GLP-1 agonists) change the hormonal balance in the body.
If you have heart disease, and you take pills to minimize the chances of a cardiac event, would you one day stop taking those pills because they had been working? Of course not. Medical treatment is needed perpetually for chronic disease. Obesity is a chronic disease. It now has a treatment that is becoming more widely accepted and actually works. Lifetimes of failure in fighting this disease with conventional and wrong approaches has conditioned people to think something like this can’t be without a catastrophic price to pay. Well, penicillin and ibuprofen had similar reactions when they were first discovered and developed for the masses.
Sadly, old thinking still dies hard for many.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 6:47 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:36 am to Gifman
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I’m sure the side effect will be cancer after about 10 years of
Again, there are studies, there are personal stories , dozens of medical journal articles, health and medical expert interviews and podcasts, etc. Take the time to learn the most basic stats and facts and concepts before chiming in with “!you gonna get AIDS, bruh “.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:39 am to slackster
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I see fewer and fewer people are getting mad at these drugs on the OT. I’ve never understood the hate.
They're worried they'd have to buy smaller columbia shirts if they take the drug and lose weight.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 6:51 am to slackster
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I’ve never understood the hate.
Because like most weight loss strategies, without lifestyle changes weight will probably return within a few years.
Its just another magic pill instead of behavior modifications.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:13 am to CoachChappy
quote:I think the negativity towards obesity is that it’s an outward reflection of bad choices. It’s the result of poor self control, laziness, lack of pride, gluttony, and a myriad of of other negative traits.
Once again, I love the OT
Being fat = bad
Taking meds to stop being fat = bad
Never change OTards
If obesity was an immutable characteristic such as hair color or height, people would be much more understanding.
But when some miracle drug comes out that allows people to lose weight, but the person who takes it is just looking for a shortcut and are not willing to actually fix the negative behaviors that got them to where they are, it rubs people the wrong way.
If someone has a serious weight problem and just cannot shake it, I don’t think anyone has any negative feelings about them getting medical help. But if someone is just looking to take a shortcut because they can’t stop eating a bunch of junk and don’t want to get off their arse, then I think it’s completely natural to feel a bit of contempt towards those people.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
What is the difference between a weight loss strategy and a lifestyle change besides just not stopping the weight loss strategy? Shockingly 90% of people who lose weight gain it back.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:14 am to 1MileTiger
Sorry you lost your balls baw
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:15 am to BawtHouse
quote:That may be true for some people. But it’s obvious that is not what is afflicting most people. Americans never used to be this fat. Humans throughout history never used to be fat like this, apart from a relatively small number.
Obesity is largely(but not entirely) driven by a deficiency of GLP-1, a naturally occurring hormone in our bodies. GLP-1 agonists trigger the increase of production of this hormone to make it rise to more normal levels.
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 7:17 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 7:17 am to BawtHouse
And yet you see everyone with cancer around you and you just don’t know why…can’t be the diabetes drug tho huh….
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