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re: 3 people shot on Coursey Boulevard near Chimes East, transported to OLOL
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:06 pm to Jake88
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:06 pm to Jake88
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Said nothing about "everyone." But those frequent fliers, yes.
Aramis wasn't a frequent flyer. That was his first ever arrest. That's my point.
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There re several but a couple...Armed Robbery is a minimum of 10 years. Not long enough. 20. Possession of firearm or carrying concealed weapon by a person convicted of certain felonies is minimum 10 and not more than 15 without chance of parole. Again need to be 20 at minimum. Why? Because 20 would allow for some to age out of a drive towards criminal behavior.
Armed robbery involving a firearm already has a 15 year minimum. Are you really telling me that a homeless dude who pulls a pocket knife on someone should do 20 without benefit as a minimum? As for felon in possession, you're citing to old law. It's 5-25 without benefit now.
Regardless, increasing the mandatory minimum isn't likely to accomplish anything. It just means that ADAs will reduce the charges as part of a plea agreement.
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We'll disagree. Sure many have an instant offense of possession with intent but dig into their past and you'll find violence in the majority of cases. And, I'm not speaking of parish jails so much as prisons. You want your handful of truly non-violent offenders out of prison? Fine.
It's not a matter of disagreement; you're objectively incorrect if you think it's simply a "handful". Are there many of them doing life? No, of course not. But there are tons of them spending a half decade of their lives in a cage having never committed a violent offense.
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But, we both know there are far too many people under 40 years old with violent convictions wandering the streets spreading mayhem because of the DA screwing up, the judge being lenient, etc.
You understand that absolutely nothing you do with the law can prevent an ADA from "screwing up", right? They can amend a First Degree Murder to Bear Wrestling if they want to. All you'll accomplish by spiking mandatory minimums is to empower idiot ADAs with zero discretion strong arming potentially innocent people into plea agreements because the risk of going to trial is too severe.
Is that really what we as a society want?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:08 pm to ParkerTiger7
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thinks
I think they skipped that step.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:29 pm to Joshjrn
quote:Why not? Are you telling me homeless people with pocket knives are not dangerous and won't stab someone with it? Haven't homeless people killed others before?
Are you really telling me that a homeless dude who pulls a pocket knife on someone should do 20 without benefit as a minimum?
quote:I do not believe this and have never seen many examples.
But there are tons of them spending a half decade of their lives in a cage having never committed a violent offense.
quote:I wasn't speaking specifically about his case, more generally.
Aramis wasn't a frequent flyer. That was his first ever arrest. That's my point.
There is no point to our going back and forth about this. We will never change each other's opinion. What I know is fact is that there are far too many felons roaming the streets committing new crimes. I strongly believe more people need to be in prison not less.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:35 pm to Jake88
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Why not? Are you telling me homeless people with pocket knives are not dangerous and won't stab someone with it? Haven't homeless people killed others before?
Sure, it happens. Pretty damned rare, though, especially if they have no prior criminal history. Because you understand mandatory minimums only matter if they have no prior felony convictions, right? Because otherwise, they can have a habitual offender bill filed against them, which spikes the time. As another example, I had a client once meet up with someone to buy an iPhone, sprayed them with pepper spray, and took off with the phone. 20 years minimum?
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I do not believe this and have never seen many examples.
What do you do that would routinely make you privy to this information?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:38 pm to doubleb
quote:Murphy said they weren't hiring more. He is going to put some of the desk jockeys in the street.
The shortage of cops increased from 60 to 70.
quote:I thought cleaning the streets was going to fix the situation!??!
the lack of support by the mayor for the cops has hurt too.
Need more committees and meetings.
Maybe cops could pass out suckers and bubblegum.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:41 pm to Redbone
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Murphy said they weren't hiring more. He is going to put some of the desk jockeys in the street.
Putting desk cops on the street needs to happen, but how much does it truly add? Someone who has been at a desk for ten years probably held that position because they didn’t want to be on patrol.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:50 pm to Redbone
Murphy believes these desk jockeys are going to make beat cops? Lol
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:51 pm to Joshjrn
quote:I don't know how you know this is a rare occurrence. I think it's fair to assume that someone that threatens another with a knife is willing to use it and is therefore lethal and not in need of remaining on the streets.
Sure, it happens. Pretty damned rare, though, especially if they have no prior criminal history
quote:Why not? They were violent in that act, their risk for future violence is elevated compared to the population.
I had a client once meet up with someone to buy an iPhone, sprayed them with pepper spray, and took off with the phone. 20 years minimum?
My job allows me to view many RAP sheets and legal histories.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:53 pm to Jake88
Someone like Alton Sterling shouldn't have been on the streets to begin with. How many times was he arrested? 17?
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:55 pm to fallguy_1978
He was a convicted felon and sex offender, so there’s that as well.
This post was edited on 12/29/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/29/18 at 12:55 pm to Jake88
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But there are tons of them spending a half decade of their lives in a cage having never committed a violent offense.
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I do not believe this and have never seen many examples.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 1:16 pm to Jake88
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I don't know how you know this is a rare occurrence. I think it's fair to assume that someone that threatens another with a knife is willing to use it and is therefore lethal and not in need of remaining on the streets.
Because I'm a criminal defense attorney who has put their hands on about 2k files over the course of their career and spends most of his free time around other criminal defense attorneys who have handled many thousands more. And in my experience, there is actually a pretty significant chasm between the people who will brandish a weapon and those that will use it.
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Why not? They were violent in that act, their risk for future violence is elevated compared to the population.
Twenty years minimum, for pepper spray? Come on...
And again, I find it interesting that you avoided my point about habitual offender exposure. Assuming that kid had a prior felony conviction for, let's say, possession of cocaine, then that 10-99 becomes 32-198. Doesn't matter in the least whether that prior conviction was violent or even had any relation to the current offense.
The reality is that your issue isn't with the law; your issue with with ADAs cutting deals. And that's fine, but lobbying for even more draconian sentencing laws than we already have does nothing other than add leverage to lazy ADAs who don't want to do their jobs.
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My job allows me to view many RAP sheets and legal histories.
"Many" is relative, and I would also be curious to see why you were looking, as that could inject sampling bias. For example, if you do intake at LSP, then you're obviously not going to be seeing many people who fit my description. Do intake at Dixon or Hunt and it's a different story.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 1:23 pm to Ed Osteen
Posted on 12/29/18 at 1:28 pm to ParkerTiger7
Shooting was in the shopping center across from where the old shoppers choice is (next to Chimes) Shooting was a carry over from an arguments at a “club”. There’s a super sketchy vape shop in that shopping center (Vegas Vape) I think. The kid who runs it is 19 years old and says he can stay open 24 hours because he doesn’t sell alcohol. It attracts a lot of sketchy folk and culcha. Three people were shot, one in critical condition the other two in stable condition. The shooting started at the Carpet store next door and carried over to the vape shop. There were puddles of blood outside the vape shop were one of the victims collapsed. They need to shut that place down or it’s going to continue to happen.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 1:40 pm to TigerSaint1
That vape shop is a culcha magnet for sure.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 1:59 pm to TigerSaint1
I had no idea a 19 year old kid ran that shop. Always see a plethora of Chargers and Impalas outside.
Posted on 12/29/18 at 2:02 pm to Torrence Hatch
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hoodrats need to keep that shite on the other side of Florida Blvd
THIS
Posted on 12/29/18 at 2:06 pm to Jake88
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hoodrats need to keep that shite on the other side of Florida Blvd
Hoodrats are a cancer that spreads. Until the wall is built along Florida Boulevard, the vermin will continuously infiltrate themselves into areas where they are not wanted.
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