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re: 3 Camera Angles (bodycam footage) of Virginia cops drawing guns on Lt. Nazaro
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:25 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:25 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Taught to follow lawful orders by those who know how to give them these cops did neither the guy did handle it very well considering the cop was all over the place on his demands.
The one cop doing all the screaming and spraying shouldn’t be on the force he’s just somebody who’s going to end up killing someone like the female cop in Minnesota.
The cop couldn’t even cite the tag when asked what was going on as he had already seen it.
He approached a car that he had already confirmed actually had a plate, with gun drawn for following a standard police suggested protocol to proceed to a well lit area
There was no crime and the guy had very accurately followed the suggested method of keeping everyone safe. And that’s what he got.
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:28 am to sgallo3
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These cops are disgusting and terribly trained. To think that the cops would get so jacked up for not seeing plates on a vehicle and for someone driving to a well lit area to stop, that took a whooping 1 min 30 seconds of which he did not speed to. He simply continued to drive the speed limit to a well lit location. And for all that the cops are so jacked up they START off with a deadly force situation guns drawn.
I do understand if you want to criticize the police, but Nazaro was looking for this all along. I had no idea he lead them on a mile and a half long pursuit prior to finally pulling over. That was the only well-lit area? Of course that is going to raise the situation. That's a long time bruh. Try to understand both sides.
Then he does not do what they ask and tries to pull rank.
I don't know. He seems smug at times. It appeared he wanted to play victim at times. He says he was afraid of their guns drawn, but he was as calm as can be the entire time. He even came off as smug at times.
I finally saw the whole video and the officers were absolutely nice to him once he was detained.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:45 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:42 am to rumination
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mile to mile and half long pursuit
Mile to a mile and half is not a fricking pursuit of which he did not speed away or fail to avoid traffic laws. Jesus Christ. Frist off. This just demonstrates how ill trained they are. If what is being taught in the that precinct is for officers to expect the immediate pulling over of a vehicle after you turn your lights on is a disservice to those cops. In reality it should be expected for a driver to want to find a safe place to stop whether it be a well lit area or off the road.
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tries to pull rank.
Never does this.
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does not do what they ask
Context is important here. Cops expecting a individual to willfully comply with orders when no charge has been given and guns drawn.
Don't mistake my overall position here. I am not making any statements saying ALL cops are terrible. I am a Marine, and more often than not I am on the cops side in these situations. This however just screams lack of training and the ability to assess the situation by the cops and apply the appropriate response to the situation.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:48 am to rumination
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Then he does not do what they ask and tries to pull rank.
Did he pull rank trying to get out of trouble or did he try to humanize himself while an unhinged man threatened his life?
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:50 am to rumination
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I do understand if you want to criticize the police, but Nazaro was looking for this all along. I had no idea he lead them on a mile and a half long pursuit prior to finally pulling over. That was the only well-lit area? Of course that is going to raise the situation. That's a long time bruh. Try to understand both sides
frick me this is just riddled with stupidity. Some of it isn’t even worth arguing but I will explain(since I’m sure you’re ignorant to this specific info) that Isle of Wight county is rural as frick. There’s not much there. Windsor has a population of like 2600.
So yes.... YOU should try to understand both sides. And understand the fact that they almost immediately fired the one cop.
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I finally saw the whole video and the officers were absolutely nice to him once he was detained
They fricking pepper sprayed him and kicked him repeatedly in the back of the leg. But oh it’s alright because they asked how his day was after?
What a joke of a post....
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:53 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:38 am to Evolve
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You could clearly tell the cops knew they fricked up after the first few minutes, but they were committed at that point so they didn't let up.
Like 2/3 of the video was them explaining why they felt they needed to pepper spray him.
One cop says “you drove to a well-lit place which is fine, we get that. This happened because you didn’t comply with our orders.” Then later, the other cop says they came out guns drawn because he drove so far (while also acknowledging that he saw the temp tag when they pulled in behind him).
They 100% knew they fricked up. It almost sounded like a wife beater asking his wife “why did you make me do this?”
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:44 am to NoSaint
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Did he pull rank trying to get out of trouble or did he try to humanize himself while an unhinged man threatened his life?
He didn't pull rank at all. He was asked his rank by the now fired cop.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:45 am to Sao
Yeah he thought he was dealing with a junior enlisted dude.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:01 am to lostinbr
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They 100% knew they fricked up. It almost sounded like a wife beater asking his wife “why did you make me do this?”
That is exactly what happened. "None of this would've happened if you had just complied."
Driving to a well-lit area is smart, and as long as he did it slowly and calmly I don't see a problem. But then they immediately draw guns on him? I'd be fricking nervous too. And he kept saying "What is going on" and the cops didn't say shite other than get out the car. Well his seatbelt was on, and I'd be nervous as frick that as soon as I reached for my seatbelt they'd shoot me for "reaching for something."
And the bullshite of "This can go two ways....you can either do what we want or get fricked" after the fact was stupid too. They are basically conning him into "letting it go."
The only thing I could side with the cops on is once he gets out he doesn't put his hands behind his back. That's all. Up until that point I don't see much that he did wrong. I think it's okay for the cops to say "We pulled you over for ______, get out of the car."
And the dude even said he wants to talk to his command about it. That's the right thing. Good for him, and I'm glad we have people like him in service.
These two cops need better fricking training.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:03 am to lostinbr
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One cop says “you drove to a well-lit place which is fine, we get that. This happened because you didn’t comply with our orders.” Then later, the other cop says they came out guns drawn because he drove so far (while also acknowledging that he saw the temp tag when they pulled in behind him).
They 100% knew they fricked up. It almost sounded like a wife beater asking his wife “why did you make me do this?”
I mean we could make this an issue but that would probably ruin your career, wouldn’t it? So you wouldn’t want anyone to know what happened here tonight because it could mess up that promotion? We could probably all just call it a day and let you go though and if everyone stays hush hush your employer won’t find out and penalize you.nice dog you have there!
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:20 am to NoSaint
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I mean we could make this an issue but that would probably ruin your career, wouldn’t it? So you wouldn’t want anyone to know what happened here tonight because it could mess up that promotion? We could probably all just call it a day and let you go though and if everyone stays hush hush your employer won’t find out and penalize you.nice dog you have there!
Officer Gutierrez at the end trying to play things off by giving him the choice to go free so it wouldn't "hurt" Nozario's career was pretty laughable. He straight up tells him that it is his right to argue the situation but that it would lead to him being arrested and putting a mark on his record. Since when can you arrest someone for doing something within their rights? I'm glad that guy got fired over this.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:20 am to rumination
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but Nazaro was looking for this all along. I had no idea he lead them on a mile and a half long pursuit prior to finally pulling over. That was the only well-lit area? Of course that is going to raise the situation. That's a long time bruh. Try to understand both sides.
This literally doesn't make sense to me. You think a mile and a half is "a long time" and that he led them "on a pursuit"? The only well-lit area? It's a fricking mile and a half.
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Then he does not do what they ask and tries to pull rank.
He absolutely does not do this. The cop asked him what rank he was.
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I don't know. He seems smug at times. It appeared he wanted to play victim at times. He says he was afraid of their guns drawn, but he was as calm as can be the entire time. He even came off as smug at times.
Nice to him? More like covering their asses for fricking up.
You and I clearly didn't watch the same video.
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Maybe Nazario handled himself poorly. Maybe he was trying to get his time in the spotlight or payday as others have implied. Or maybe he just froze because the cops were screaming at him with guns drawn, he knew he had a firearm in his vehicle, and he thought if he just stayed still and kept his hands in plain sight nothing bad would happen.
But either way, that one cop fricked up. And based on his comments after he had Nazario detained, it sounded to me like he knew he had fricked up. He says, in the video, that it was Nazario’s refusal to comply (NOT driving to a he gas station) that led to all of this. But Nazario was sitting there with his hands out the window, in uniform, telling the officer that he’s scared to open the door - and the officer decides the best way to resolve the situation is to stand there, shake up a can of pepper spray, and basically tell him “oh, now you really fricked up.”
I have a lot of respect for cops. And I like to think that most good cops watch that video and think “this guy shouldn’t be a cop.” At least it sounds like his department thought so, since he’s been terminated.
This is exactly how I feel about this situation. The cop could have de-escalated that pretty easily. And he didn't. And on top of that, he starts talking shite. "Oh, you want me to take my hands away? You got it. *as he reaches for his mace" And there were several times where he could've not maced him, but he did it anyway. And he has his gun drawn and when asked "What's going on?" he responds with "You're about to ride the lightning."
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:26 am to Centinel
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After all the bullshite hype died down, most people in the Army community agree this LT handled this situation rather poorly and is just looking for a payday. Fort
Racist
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:32 am to CocomoLSU
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And he kept saying "What is going on" and the cops didn't say shite other than get out the car. Well his seatbelt was on, and I'd be nervous as frick that as soon as I reached for my seatbelt they'd shoot me for "reaching for something."
Don’t forget he had a (legal) handgun in the vehicle. I didn’t see exactly where the cop pulled it from after he told them, but it almost looked like he must have had it holstered somewhere around the driver’s seat. It’s a tough situation.
If you don’t tell them about the gun and they see it when you go to unbuckle your seatbelt, you might get shot. And the narrative is “he should have told them he had a gun.”
If you tell them about it while they’re screaming at you, you might get Castille’d. And the narrative is “the cop fricked up” but it doesn’t matter because you still got shot.
If you try to get them to calm the frick down so you can explain, you might get pepper sprayed. And the narrative is “he should have just unbuckled his seatbelt.”
I’m not saying he handled it perfectly, but I can see why he chose to just keep his hands outside the window.
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The only thing I could side with the cops on is once he gets out he doesn't put his hands behind his back.
Agreed. Although I’ve never had a face full of pepper spray before, so I don’t know how much that plays into it.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:47 am to lostinbr
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Don’t forget he had a (legal) handgun in the vehicle. I didn’t see exactly where the cop pulled it from after he told them, but it almost looked like he must have had it holstered somewhere around the driver’s seat. It’s a tough situation.
If you don’t tell them about the gun and they see it when you go to unbuckle your seatbelt, you might get shot. And the narrative is “he should have told them he had a gun.”
If you tell them about it while they’re screaming at you, you might get Castille’d. And the narrative is “the cop fricked up” but it doesn’t matter because you still got shot.
If you try to get them to calm the frick down so you can explain, you might get pepper sprayed. And the narrative is “he should have just unbuckled his seatbelt.”
I’m not saying he handled it perfectly, but I can see why he chose to just keep his hands outside the window.
Agreed. There are a lot of things that go into play in that situation. And I don't expect the cops to get it perfectly right every time either. But I also don't expect them to get it so fricking wrong. There were numerous instances where they could have de-escalated, and not only did he not do that, they sprinted in the opposite direction.
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Agreed. Although I’ve never had a face full of pepper spray before, so I don’t know how much that plays into it.
True. My main question was at that point, you have him out of the car and sprayed/incapacitated. So put your weapons away and get him in cuffs.
Also, did anyone notice how long it took and how difficult it was for that a-hole cop to retrieve his pepper spray? If he would have actually needed that in a brief moment, he would've been fricked. Also looked like he had 37 different pockets of shite on his person too.
Usually when I have been pulled over the cop either asks if I know why he pulled me over, or he tells me "I pulled you over for going 52 in a 40" or some shite like that. Yet neither of these cops ever did or said anything like that, all while this dude is scared shitless and asking what is going on. This isn't some criminal being shady and "not complying," this was a well-trained dude doing the best thing he could to show the cops he wasn't a threat. Like you said, I can also see why he just sat there with his hands out the window. You have two cops with guns pointed at you, while screaming at you and waiting for you to frick up.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 9:58 am to sgallo3
In my 50+ years I’ve been pulled over maybe 10 times and three times the cops were belligerent assholes, but I complied with all 10. Fun fact, two of the belligerent assholes were LA State Troopers, one white and young, one black and 40’s. The other was a white NOPD in the ninth ward in his 30’s. I was never pepper sprayed or otherwise, but was definitely treated disrespectfully, and by the way, I’m white.
On the street the police are judge, jury and executioner, and I’ve instilled this in my sons. Swallow your pride and do what they say, or expect a very bad experience, then have your day in court, where the lawyers sometimes treat the cop disrespectfully and he can’t fight back. Just the way it is, and it’s not likely to change.
On the street the police are judge, jury and executioner, and I’ve instilled this in my sons. Swallow your pride and do what they say, or expect a very bad experience, then have your day in court, where the lawyers sometimes treat the cop disrespectfully and he can’t fight back. Just the way it is, and it’s not likely to change.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:01 am to Tshiz
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Tshiz
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:09 am to CocomoLSU
These situations gives the good and well trained police officers such a bad rep. I don’t know how some of the guys I know do that job. It’s not worth it. It’s not worth it to see someone in your profession make your job 10 times harder when you already are dealing with people who could possibly be having the worst day of their life.
I do think that Lt. was frightened by having guns drawn on him with some porker yelling commands like it’s fricking Fallujah. While his calmness can seem smug at times, the Lt kept himself in a submissive position for an impressive amount of time. Sure, he could’ve just gotten out of the car and gotten pistol whipped by Barney but I didn’t have a problem with him calmly asking what was going on. The police officer missed a chance to calm down and de escalate which seems like a training deficiency in that station. I don’t have a problem with him losing his job here.
I do think that Lt. was frightened by having guns drawn on him with some porker yelling commands like it’s fricking Fallujah. While his calmness can seem smug at times, the Lt kept himself in a submissive position for an impressive amount of time. Sure, he could’ve just gotten out of the car and gotten pistol whipped by Barney but I didn’t have a problem with him calmly asking what was going on. The police officer missed a chance to calm down and de escalate which seems like a training deficiency in that station. I don’t have a problem with him losing his job here.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:28 am to sgallo3
I love how he asked him if he was a corporal or specialist
Posted on 4/13/21 at 10:33 am to Dr RC
quote:No way I would be comfortable reaching for my seatbelt with a gun already drawn on me. All it takes is adrenaline, a twitchy trigger finger, and "I couldn't see what he was reaching for".
Please explain how you can put your hands out the window, take off your seat belt, and get out of the car all at the same time.
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