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re: 3 Camera Angles (bodycam footage) of Virginia cops drawing guns on Lt. Nazaro
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Having to deal with hundreds of really stupid people over the course of a day, week, month takes it's toll.
I always encourage people who hate cops to go on a drive along.
None ever do it.
So basically you are suggesting that caps lack the professionalism to do their job properly.
If they can't clean slate each new encounter and control their 0-100 time they need time off even if it is a mandatory time out.
The 18yo privates that I had in my platoon and later my company that had far more restraint and professionalism than the cop in this instance exhibited and they were in a war zone and they didn't even speak the same language as those they were detaining and again they were 18yo "children".
The cop was near manic and Nazoro was MUCH calmer and more professional. The cop just kept ramping up a situation that did not call for it.
On a separate note the whole releasing the seatbelt is a potential issue when the cops were this jacked up. You take your hand out of view and push the bottom, either the buckle comes up in your hand or it flips up and around. Either way the cop sees either a fast-moving piece of metal or a piece of metal in his hand. That is a recipe for disaster. As long as both hands remained visible there was no need to escalate.
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:21 pm to Rebel
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Guy should’ve done as instructed and not prevented the cops from doing their job.
Remember this when they come for your guns.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:22 pm to USMEagles
All that is bullshite.
He didn’t lead them on a high speed chase. He drove to a well populated well lit area.
He didn’t drive there going 90 MPH.
The cops then immediately pulled their guns on him. That’s not reasonable.
The fact that it’s predicable makes it worse.
He didn’t lead them on a high speed chase. He drove to a well populated well lit area.
He didn’t drive there going 90 MPH.
The cops then immediately pulled their guns on him. That’s not reasonable.
The fact that it’s predicable makes it worse.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:23 pm to Obtuse1
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The 18yo privates that I had in my platoon and later my company...
fricking called it. This board is just riddled with commissioned officers. It's fine to argue about this crap, but the rest of us have to realize we're basically getting a union press statement from you.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:27 pm to USMEagles
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Don't do those things... and don't tell me you're a big bad Army officer but you're afraid of the "Blue Light Rapist."
The cops proved his worry to be 110% justified.
They assaulted him after he drove less than a mile, at about 30mph with his hazards on and they had also seen the temp tag they pulled him over for not having. They then threatened his career to silence him and made false claims in their report.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:28 pm to SammyTiger
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The cops then immediately pulled their guns on him. That’s not reasonable.
Go tell NOPD in the 1990s. One of their guys pointed a gun at me for nothing more than getting lost in the wrong neighborhood. You can't get back on at Louisa St.
It sounds awful, but you have to put it into the context of how bad things were back then. After I did what that cop told me to, we had a normal, almost friendly conversation and he escorted me where I was trying to go.
There is such a thing as public safety. I don't like the cops, but public safety is their business.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:34 pm to USMEagles
This will be a race issue when in reality it can be a very unifying movement amongst all races against a-hole cops. Alas it’ll just be minorities against cops.
It’s a real shame.
It’s a real shame.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:39 pm to sgallo3
I was in favor of the driver from reading stories but seeing the video, it is his fault.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:40 pm to Sherman Klump
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This will be a race issue when in reality it can be a very unifying movement amongst all races against a-hole cops. Alas it’ll just be minorities against cops.
It’s a real shame.
Maybe policing is broken in this country. Is this the hill to die on, though? Where were the posters defending this lieutenant when Philando Castile was shot? Are people just jock-sniffing for this lieutenant because he's in the Army? (Butter stick sniffing?
) Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:41 pm to Sherman Klump
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This will be a race issue when in reality it can be a very unifying movement amongst all races against a-hole cops. Alas it’ll just be minorities against cops.
It was a felony stop. There was nothing wrong with then depending to get out of the car. He was looking for something video worthy then the pepper spray came out and he regretted it.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:42 pm to USMEagles
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fricking called it. This board is just riddled with commissioned officers. It's fine to argue about this crap, but the rest of us have to realize we're basically getting a union press statement from you.
I have no special love for him because he is an officer he might be a great one he might be a piece of shite as a soldier, I don't know.
I do know he was calm with a gun pointed at him while the one with the gun was acting like a spider monkey jacked up on Mountain Dew. If you can't be calm when you can see both hands and they are not moving and you have the gun and backup then you aren't built for the job.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:42 pm to Sherman Klump
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This will be a race issue when in reality it can be a very unifying movement amongst all races against a-hole cops. Alas it’ll just be minorities against cops.
Yep. No one should have to deal with that crap.
And frankly, I doubt the cops even knew what race the guy was initially.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:43 pm to BuckyCheese
What crap? He was being pulled over and was told to get out the car....he refused.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:43 pm to CarRamrod
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It was a felony stop.
For no plates Farva?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:44 pm to USMEagles
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There is such a thing as public safety. I don't like the cops, but public safety is their business
I am Sure the guy who got maces felt safe.
This isn’t public safety
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:44 pm to CarRamrod
I’m not defending the driver. He’s a fricking idiot too. I just find cops tend to suck and I’m sure that has to do with their job and the shite they deal with.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:45 pm to Obtuse1
quote:was he? He wasn't complying. He wasn't very calm when he was acting a fool.
he was calm with a gun pointed at him
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:45 pm to BuckyCheese
Unit 91 called for assistance. I was on the radio. And this cat felt that assistance.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:46 pm to NoSaint
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It’s weird cause it feels like you are lecturing the soldier about his decisions when the cop was consistently out of line, and ended up facing consequences while the soldier may have been the one that ensured everyone went home alive.
It’s really not weird. Actions have consequences, even for service members. His uniform doesn’t absolve him of being accountable for his actions. If he had complied, he most likely would have not gone through all that arse pain.
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But I’m sure you are a small government guy that believes in a well armed citizenry to protect themselves from tyranny too. Which makes this quite the pretzel for you.
Not a pretzel at all. It really isn’t a hard concept. If he saw fit to not comply, he can’t turn around and play victim. He knew the potential consequences for resistance included injury or death.
Even in the revolutionary war there were men who chose not to get involved because they knew it meant death or imprisonment.
I’m not saying it is right or wrong. What I am saying is that he did himself no favors and now is not being held accountable for his role in the situation because it’s the trendy thing to hate police now.
The officers were undoubtedly out of line, but the guy didn’t help himself out any.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:47 pm to Obtuse1
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I do know he was calm with a gun pointed at him.
Credit to him- that's probably a big part of being a soldier, and I don't even know if you can train for that.
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The one with the gun was acting like a spider monkey jacked up on Mountain Dew. If you can't be calm when you can see both hands and they are not moving and you have the gun and backup then you aren't built for the job.
A lot of people suck at their jobs now. It's a big problem and I don't know what to do about it. But don't go looking for a fight.
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