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re: 21 Year Old Victim Dies in Bourbon St Shooting (Updated)

Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:36 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:36 am to
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It would reduce the number of shootings in the Quarter but at what cost?


What's the "cost" of this sort of publicity regarding the Quarter?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:42 am to
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well they need to toss these 2 under the jail to remind the criminals to solve their grievances away from the tourist areas.



we should just build a plank off of the GNO, walk them off the edge.
Save jail time and send a message.

Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:43 am to
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What's the "cost" of this sort of publicity regarding the Quarter?


We were talking about stop and frisk. If people decide it is worth it so be it but I think you will be sorry in the long haul. People already hate cops because of the laws, that they don't write, that they are required to enforce. How will people feel about the so called "military police state" when they are forced to be frisked every time the go to the Quarter? If it works in the Quarter I promise you it will be expanded to other areas of the city as well.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:46 am to
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We were talking about stop and frisk


I didn't understand that as being the only thing referenced with regard to beefing up police presence in the Quarter.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:46 am to
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But the fact that this could be two gutter punks makes me even more happy. Let's run these frickers out the quarter to Austin and denver
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74248 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:52 am to
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They need to get some better cameras on Bourbon. shite's terrible.


they are good in the daylight, they need some IR cameras too.
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:52 am to
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I didn't understand that as being the only thing referenced with regard to beefing up police presence in the Quarter.


I am all for beefing up police presence there but NOPD does not have the officers. The public has no idea how fast officers are leaving that place because the city wants it kept quiet, for obvious reasons. I have never seen an exodus from a department on the scale that it is seen now. Every department in the metro area has at least 30 NOPD officers trying to get on every week. It is crazy.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:57 am to
They aren't paid enough IMO. Kenner police make more for an easier job.

Should be better paid to do that will takes more money, but people hate taxes.

Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:57 am to
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The public has no idea how fast officers are leaving that place because the city wants it kept quiet, for obvious reasons. I have never seen an exodus from a department on the scale that it is seen now.


why are they leaving?

What can the city do to attract more qualified officers and keep the ones they have?

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Every department in the metro area has at least 30 NOPD officers trying to get on every week.


are they getting on? If they cant even get on other departments in the metro, then we dont want them in NOLA anyways.
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:58 am to
Story about this coming up on Fox News..
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:59 am to
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I didn't understand that as being the only thing referenced with regard to beefing up police presence in the Quarter.



More cops won't do much, IMO. These guys don't give a frick
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
110954 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 10:59 am to
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The public has no idea how fast officers are leaving that place because the city wants it kept quiet, for obvious reasons. I have never seen an exodus from a department on the scale that it is seen now. Every department in the metro area has at least 30 NOPD officers trying to get on every week. It is crazy.


On every story I've seen about the NOPD, you pretty much only have to barely read between the lines to figure this out.

I agree, for whatever reason, they're not outright reporting it, but they're clearly doing plenty to hint about it, so that even a casual observer can figure it out.

I agree, it's quite troubling as well.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74248 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:00 am to
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If they cant even get on other departments in the metro, then we dont want them in NOLA anyways.



NOLA may be the easiest to get onto. JPSO and Kenner are harder and Harahan is the buddy system as is Gretna and Westwego.
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:01 am to
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They aren't paid enough IMO. Kenner police make more for an easier job. Should be better paid to do that will takes more money, but people hate taxes.


I don't believe pay will help. the residency requirement, which was only suspended by the council and not removed, has sent the wrong message to many officers and applicants. They know that it can be pulled at any minute and most don't want to be told where to live. The detail policy is now awful and greatly reduced the income of every officer. there are other internal issues and problems but it is not a place most want to work. I believe that education requirements are important when hiring cops but NOPD cannot seem to find people with the 60 hours of college credits required. the pay would have to go up tremendously, in my opinion, to stop attrition and help in hiring.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476663 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:03 am to
i think i saw an article about their hiring being racist for discriminating against blacks due to requirements on criminal history, also
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31513 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:03 am to
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That sounds like a horrible idea to me.


and honestly, i'd agree with you other than this instance.

NYC had to do it to clean up times square. and NOLA should do it to clean up the quarter.

if tourism dries up in NOLA, it'll be detroit part 2
Posted by DanTiger
Somewhere in Luziana
Member since Sep 2004
9480 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:06 am to
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What can the city do to attract more qualified officers and keep the ones they have?


In addition to the things I mentioned in my other post there is a feeling, and a reality, expressed by most officers that the department cannot wait to use them as scapegoats and throw them under the bus in order to stay in the good graces of the Dept of Justice. I realize this doesn't sound like much to non cops but a civilian review board, the Federal consent decree, and a department that views them as expendable does not make for a happy work environment. Cops have a tough job, especially in New Orleans, and nobody wants to do this job in a place like that.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84713 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:07 am to
Did things like Danziger and Wendell Allen hurt NOPD morale any or is it mostly the financial issues you mentioned?

Whoa you answered before I even asked
This post was edited on 6/30/14 at 11:09 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40342 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:08 am to
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NYC had to do it to clean up times square. and NOLA should do it to clean up the quarter.



Stop and frisk is a extremely scary policy, not because of the stereotyping but giving cops that much power.
Posted by TigerWise
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Member since Sep 2010
35131 posts
Posted on 6/30/14 at 11:10 am to
The cops can't do nothing to prevent these thugs from shooting one another.
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