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re: 2 pleas of no contest and 1 cooperating with DA in LSU Phi Delt hazing case
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:53 am to Maynard James Keenan
Posted on 9/6/18 at 10:53 am to Maynard James Keenan
Seems like Gott or Forde would be the most culpable. They had to have bought the alcohol and had to have known what it was for. That adds a pre-meditated aspect even though they didn't intend to kill someone.
But at 21 years old, you know damn well that 190 proof is enough to do some real damage.
But at 21 years old, you know damn well that 190 proof is enough to do some real damage.
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:04 am to The Torch
And you paid to have friends like that?
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:06 am to jbgleason
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They are throwing this one kid under the bus like he is a criminal mastermind in a Bond film.
They are flipping on this kid like he was the one driving the bus. I don't think anyone joins a fraternity thinking members will keep their mouths shut and go to prison, it isn't the mob.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:10 am to jbgleason
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People may talk shite about "brotherhood" and "being tight" with someone but when the specter of prison looms on the horizon, everyone is a snitch. They are throwing this one kid under the bus like he is a criminal mastermind in a Bond film.
Being a douche and contributing to a persons death makes one a shitty person who deserves to face the consequences of his actions - i don't care if you happen to pledge the same fraternity as me or not.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:10 am to The Torch
How mature, how adult of you and your "brothers".
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:14 am to jbgleason
A kid is dead and it's directly because of the actions of those turds. All of them should be sent to Angola for a few years.
Then when they are released they will have a constant reminder of their crime because all of them would be able to carry 4 bowling balls no hands.
Then when they are released they will have a constant reminder of their crime because all of them would be able to carry 4 bowling balls no hands.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:16 am to YeahYeah
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But in all seriousness there needs to be jail time for those involved
I'll sleep better at night when I know these hardened criminals are off the street.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:16 am to The Torch
None of that is true. If your new “brothers” wanted to see that shite, you joined a gay frat baw.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:19 am to TGFN57
quote:I would say indirectly because of these turds
A kid is dead and it's directly because of the actions of those turds.
He died directly because he drank too much alcohol
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:22 am to CoachChappy
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I'll sleep better at night when I know these hardened criminals are off the street.
You're right, we should let the people responsible for killing a kid just walk free after 30 minutes in time out
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:26 am to jbgleason
1 cooperating with DA in LSU Phi Delt hazing case
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:33 am to YeahYeah
"You're right, we should let the people responsible for killing a kid just walk free after 30 minutes in time out"
I'm sorry that the kid (adult) died and that he lacked the ability to stand up for himself and and/or walk away. But unless they physically forced him to drink, I believe this is a civil matter rather than criminal.
I'm sorry that the kid (adult) died and that he lacked the ability to stand up for himself and and/or walk away. But unless they physically forced him to drink, I believe this is a civil matter rather than criminal.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/6/18 at 11:53 am to cyarrr
We keep slapping these Dbags on the wrist and people keep dying. How about getting serious about this and drop a few in jail and see if it subsides!
Posted on 9/6/18 at 12:35 pm to TGFN57
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All of them should be sent to Angola for a few years. Then when they are released they will have a constant reminder of their crime because all of them would be able to carry 4 bowling balls no hands.
No one in this case is setting foot in Angola, no matter how heavy handed the State is or is not for the outcome.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 12:52 pm to tigbob
"We keep slapping these Dbags on the wrist and people keep dying. How about getting serious about this and drop a few in jail and see if it subsides!"
They may very well be Dbags. Its bothersome, for me at least, that personal responsibility goes out the door in this day and age. I can't imagine wanting to belong so bad that I would submit to that kind of peer pressure. They all acted stupidly including the victim. Those involved will be held responsible, I just don't think it's appropriate to throw them under the jail.
They may very well be Dbags. Its bothersome, for me at least, that personal responsibility goes out the door in this day and age. I can't imagine wanting to belong so bad that I would submit to that kind of peer pressure. They all acted stupidly including the victim. Those involved will be held responsible, I just don't think it's appropriate to throw them under the jail.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 9/6/18 at 12:55 pm to cyarrr
Coercion, blackmail, extortion, etc all don't necessarily involve physical force. You have a person placed in authority over another using that power to try and force them to do something.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:02 pm to boosiebadazz
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Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:04 pm to TexasTiger39
I can only say I never conducted myself in a manner that caused my fellow actives and the governing board to formally reprimand me for my behavior towards pledges 
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:11 pm to Sneaky__Sally
"Coercion, blackmail, extortion, etc all don't necessarily involve physical force. You have a person placed in authority over another using that power to try and force them to do something.
Coercion, blackmail and extortion involve criminal intent. If they coerced him to drink with the purpose of causing severe bodily Injury or death I agree.
Again, I think personal responsibility played a part in this and should be considered in both the civil suit and criminal case.
Coercion, blackmail and extortion involve criminal intent. If they coerced him to drink with the purpose of causing severe bodily Injury or death I agree.
Again, I think personal responsibility played a part in this and should be considered in both the civil suit and criminal case.
Posted on 9/6/18 at 1:33 pm to cyarrr
I'm not a lawyer so I'm only able to use common sense.
But they used a position of authority to make someone do something which resulted in his death. Lack of intent will certainly come into play - but so should negligence.
Honestly, this is the exact reason the fraternity system is set up for failure like this, lots of 19 year old kids don't have the brain or life experience to know when they are playing with fire - especially under the influence of alcohol.
Personal responsibility played a part, on both sides. One person has already paid with his life - the other person/people who didn't consider responsibility to the person he was in a position of authority over resulting in that persons death should face pretty severe consequences.
But they used a position of authority to make someone do something which resulted in his death. Lack of intent will certainly come into play - but so should negligence.
Honestly, this is the exact reason the fraternity system is set up for failure like this, lots of 19 year old kids don't have the brain or life experience to know when they are playing with fire - especially under the influence of alcohol.
Personal responsibility played a part, on both sides. One person has already paid with his life - the other person/people who didn't consider responsibility to the person he was in a position of authority over resulting in that persons death should face pretty severe consequences.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 1:34 pm
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