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re: 2 Astronauts Survive Russian Rocket Failure on their way to ISS

Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:47 am to
Posted by HollyWoodCole
CA
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:47 am to
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Posted by Corkfather
Houston
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:49 am to
The Challenger was a rocket failure as well, no?
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 7:49 am to
In regards to the early space program, there was a launch abort on Gemini VI in 1965. The engines ignited, but then abruptly shut down after a couple of seconds. Commander Wally Schirra had his hand on the abort handle, which would have ejected the two astronauts out of the capsule like a jet fighter. He decided not to pull it, which was a good things because 1.) it was a shite escape system that they likely would not have survived, and 2.) it allowed everything to be re-set quickly, which allowed Germini VI to launch three days later, in time to rendezvous with Germini VII in orbit. This was the first time the United States had two spacecraft in orbit at the same time.

I know there have been a handful of launch pad aborts with the space shuttle, where the engines were about to ignite or did ignite then were cut off.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 7:51 am
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7985 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 8:16 am to
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Then what’s the point of establishing a Space Force or whatever the hell they're calling it?


Proposed Space Force and NASA have different roles and responsibilities. NASA has never provided a role in security. The closest NASA has ever been to that role is classified satellite launches via the Space Shuttle.

The proposed Space Force takes the Air Force Space Command along with the associated Navy and Army commands and puts them under one roof. NASA has never been considered to have a role in that, that I'm aware of.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 8:21 am to
And NASA is much more likely to be doing manned flights than the Space Force
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 8:34 am to
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That shows how much technology has advanced; I can’t imagine that would have been a survivable incident back when space travel was an event.


The Saturn V had abort modes to save the crew from the moment they locked the door to orbit. How high and fast they were moving would determine the nature of the abort and how and where they'd get back to the ground. Barring a catastrophic explosion after the Launch Escape System was jettisoned, the crew would survive most emergencies. Before the LES was jettisoned, even explosions were survivable, as the vehicle's computer would sense an explosion and trigger the LES rockets to pull the crew away from an exploding launch vehicle.

Also, the Soyuz rocket system that failed is older than the Saturn V.

Crew safety was built into those rockets. You have to get into the ho-hum of the Space Shuttle before you start to really get unsurvivable situations due to launch vehicle failure.
This post was edited on 10/11/18 at 8:43 am
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/11/18 at 8:45 am to
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Dude finally gets his Stanley Cup and thinks he can do anything.








(I'm aware that the names aren't exactly the same as the Cosmonaut and the hockey player.)
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
7985 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 9:38 am to
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The Challenger was a rocket failure as well, no?


SRB. Solid Rocket Booster is what Challenger had go wrong (O-ring seals between segments).

Soyuz is liquid fueled using RP-1/LOX.

Same but different. For one thing..once an SRB is lit...you can't stop it....you can split the case down the side (det cord) but that's a destructive means only available on the pad. Liquid fueled....you can command a valve closed or shut down the engine.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27485 posts
Posted on 10/11/18 at 10:08 am to
Bon voyage
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