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re: 1968 Flu Pandemic
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:21 pm to Zappas Stache
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:21 pm to Zappas Stache
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100k dead is over a full year and a second wave. Covid is going to be killing people for at least the next year and will probably surpass the 1968 numbers.
We all better quarantine for a year then. Easter 2021 we'll all emerge jobless, with Moses beards and hand sanitizer.
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Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:23 pm to mauser
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I was in high school and have zero recollection of this
I was a sophomore in college and don’t recall anything about a flu in ‘68. But TBH I was more concerned w/ getting off academic probation so I wouldn’t get suspended for a semester and then get drafted.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:26 pm to SloaneRanger
I was eight. My whole family caught it. Our next door neighbor dropped off a sack of McDonald's every day after he got off work. Largest issue for my sister and I was we missed the one inch snow day that February.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:31 pm to SloaneRanger
I was two in 1968 so no, I don't remember how bad it was. But strictly by the numbers, if a 100,000 people died nation wide, that would equal 2,000 in the state of LA. Which would be 1.28 people per parish(we have 64) which would barely be a blip on the screen.
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:33 pm to fallguy_1978
100,000 in 1968 would be the same proportion of the population as 175000 today. We also have more old people now and they are more susceptible to both flu and covid.
This just spreads so much faster because half the people that get it never have symptoms and don't know they are spreading it.
This probably won't end up being more deadly as the flu pandemics of the last century, but in dense areas it can overwhelm the health system.
People need to realize that they have a very small chance that they will die from this, but we have to manage the burn especially in densely populated areas.
This just spreads so much faster because half the people that get it never have symptoms and don't know they are spreading it.
This probably won't end up being more deadly as the flu pandemics of the last century, but in dense areas it can overwhelm the health system.
People need to realize that they have a very small chance that they will die from this, but we have to manage the burn especially in densely populated areas.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:37 pm to oilattorney4lsu
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covid mortality 3%
No it's not.
A German study using antibody testing found 15% infected in one area. True mortality in 0.4% range.
Very serious. But, not worth destroying world economy.
German antibody testing
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:40 pm to Emmit Fitzhume
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Quit being a dipshit. Flu is the most valid comparison we have in modern times and it’s built into the covid models for fricks sake. No one is saying it’s the same thing but comparisons are valid and valuable.
You could compare it to Ebola or bubonic plague (far less similarities) and no one says anything but if you compare it to the most similar infection in modern times there are 30% of the population that just fricking cry
I've been trying to articulate this for the past 6 weeks and never did it this well.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:48 pm to Privateer 2007
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A German study using antibody testing found 15% infected in one area. True mortality in 0.4% range.
And those researchers state it would be wrong to extrapolate their findings to other regions of Germany, much less world wide.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 8:54 pm to SloaneRanger
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Any old timers here have any memory of this? 100k dead in US, 1 million dead world wide. Did the country experience the same level of panic and anxiety? Were there shut downs? Just curious about how it compared to Covid.
From; Everyday health
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Flu Epidemics: 1968-69 This is another flu epidemic that can trace its origins to the Far East. It started in Hong Kong in early 1968. The first cases weren’t detected in the United States until September. In terms of victims, this flu epidemic was mild. Researchers believe deaths may have been limited because the Hong Kong flu virus was similar to the virus that caused the 1957 pandemic. That meant that some people had immunity to it, Hughes said. Still, about 34,000 Americans alone died between September 1968 and March 1969.
It’s hard to tell what’s real and what’s make believe.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:02 pm to doubleb
The 100k number is over the '68,69 and 1970 and 1972 time period. The 34k is for the winter of '68-69.
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The same virus returned the following years: a year later, in late 1969 and early 1970, and in 1972. The CDC currently estimates that, in total, the virus killed 1 million people worldwide and around 100,000 people in the U.S.[10]
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 9:04 pm
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:18 pm to SloaneRanger
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Any old timers here have any memory of this? 100k dead in US, 1 million dead world wide.
Over 4 years.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:21 pm to TIGER2
I was probably too busy fighting off chicken pox, measles and mumps to notice.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:28 pm to SloaneRanger
I was born in '52, and was a junior in HS in'68. So let me frame my answer this way.
My dad was 17 years old in '29 when the Great Depression started, and he was still sharing stories with us of how bad things had been.
The Korean War ended the year after I was born and the memories of WWII hadn't left people's minds just yet.
The polio epidemic reached it's peak in 1952.
I was packing can goods to school and watching neighbors build bomb shelters in their back yards during the Cuban missle crisis in '62. I also lost my mom to cancer that same year, and unlike today, there was little they could do to fight it at the time. Practically a death sentence when diagnosed.
Our president was assassinated in '63.
The Vietnam war was raging in '68. American losses in '68 were the highest of any year of the war and would reach a total of 30K+ by the end of that year.
So to answer your question, I remember there was a flu epidemic around that time, but I couldn't have told you the exact year. And frick no the reaction to the flu was not the same as the Covid 19 reaction of today. Our minds were conditioned differently. We were somewhat hardened by the times we lived in. It would be like asking someone from the Middle Ages if their reaction to the Black Death was the same as our reaction to the polio epidemic. I'm sure they would have laughed at polio.
To be clear, I believe we are doing the right thing by trying to reduce the number of deaths.
My dad was 17 years old in '29 when the Great Depression started, and he was still sharing stories with us of how bad things had been.
The Korean War ended the year after I was born and the memories of WWII hadn't left people's minds just yet.
The polio epidemic reached it's peak in 1952.
I was packing can goods to school and watching neighbors build bomb shelters in their back yards during the Cuban missle crisis in '62. I also lost my mom to cancer that same year, and unlike today, there was little they could do to fight it at the time. Practically a death sentence when diagnosed.
Our president was assassinated in '63.
The Vietnam war was raging in '68. American losses in '68 were the highest of any year of the war and would reach a total of 30K+ by the end of that year.
So to answer your question, I remember there was a flu epidemic around that time, but I couldn't have told you the exact year. And frick no the reaction to the flu was not the same as the Covid 19 reaction of today. Our minds were conditioned differently. We were somewhat hardened by the times we lived in. It would be like asking someone from the Middle Ages if their reaction to the Black Death was the same as our reaction to the polio epidemic. I'm sure they would have laughed at polio.
To be clear, I believe we are doing the right thing by trying to reduce the number of deaths.
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:31 pm to Zappas Stache
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can't extrapolate worldwide
Of course.
But do you really believe it's gonna be 10 fold higher?
0.6% ?
0.2% ?
Posted on 4/12/20 at 9:52 pm to TIGER2
2000\64=31.25
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:11 pm to Hasbeenneverwas
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2000\64=31.25
Whoops, how the hell did I do that? Had zero drinks today. I did get the 1.25, what a dumb arse.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:36 pm to Jim Rockford
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There's a Beverly Hillbillies episode where Mr. Drysdale has the flu. He thinks he's hallucinating when a monkey comes in a window but it's one of Ellie's critters. Granny kidnaps him from the city doctors and cures him with moonshine.
Elly Mae was hot.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:38 pm to SloaneRanger
Don't recall my five year old self being very concerned.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 10:42 pm to SloaneRanger
I was 18 and remember the term Hong Kong Flu but it ends there. No details or memories whatsoever.
Curiously, when I was 7 in 1957 I remember my mom being concerned about the Asian Flu (H2N2). Upward of 1.1 million died worldwide and between 70,000-116,000 in the US. And I THINK that I got a flu shot for that one.
Curiously, when I was 7 in 1957 I remember my mom being concerned about the Asian Flu (H2N2). Upward of 1.1 million died worldwide and between 70,000-116,000 in the US. And I THINK that I got a flu shot for that one.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:40 am to SloaneRanger
Hong Kong flu was a bitch. As a healthy and athletic high school student I had that flu. Spent a week in bed at home spiking high temperatures and at one point even lost my eyesight, like seeing a tv test pattern. I thought it was the greatest day of my life when I was able to sit up and look at the sunshine outside the window. A considerable number of others at my school had it, but school wasn't cancelled and life went on. Rode it out at home. I'm sure that nowadays anyone would be hospitalized immediately if they showed up at an ER in my condition but it just was a different time and place. Did not transmit to anyone in my family. It is clear to me that Covid is far more contagious and deadly, and the measures being taken are necessary. It will hang around for quite a while. Will be interesting to see what risks people are willing to take in resuming life, business, and social interaction. I miss sports events and expect I will continue to do so for a year or more.
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