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re: 17 yr old gets shot after sneaking into 14 yr old GF's house
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:53 pm to vengeanceofrain
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:53 pm to vengeanceofrain
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He was not an intruder
He was perceived by the father as an intruder.
It is the father's perception here which will determine if it is justified.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 7:57 pm to League Champs
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A 14 year old doesn't have the legal authority to invite someone into a home she doesn't own. That authority can only come from the homeowner.
Incorrect. She is a resident and has authority. That is silly to think she cannot grant access.
Now that access can be denied by the owner, but the daughter also has some authority to grant access.
But that is a moot point.
What is important and what the case will hinge on is solely....what did the father perceive and was his perception reasonable.
Is it reasonable that he thought the victim was an intruder and his life or family was endangered? That is the question that will determine justification.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:04 pm to theenemy
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She is a resident and has authority.
As a resident of an apartment complex, does the owner have the right to ban people from my unit?
If 14 year old is on my Netflix account, does she have the legal right to give out my login to every kid in her class?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:07 pm to League Champs
Totally missing the main issue here.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:08 pm to Oswald
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Who you callin' friend, jackass
you fricked it up, padnuh!
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:10 pm to League Champs
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As a resident of an apartment complex, does the owner have the right to ban people from my unit?
If 14 year old is on my Netflix account, does she have the legal right to give out my login to every kid in her class?
WTF?
If your 14 year old invites someone inside your house....you cannot have that person arrested for trespassing....why......because your 14 year old has some authority to grant access.
Now as the owner if you ordered the person to leave and they refused you have the authority to have the person arrested for remaining after forbidden.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:12 pm to theenemy
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because your 14 year old has some authority to grant access.
nice qualifier
reasonable person standard, says that she has no authority at that hour of the night
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:15 pm to theenemy
So, is curfew not a thing in GA?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:15 pm to theenemy
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If your 14 year old invites someone inside your house....you cannot have that person arrested for trespassing
Youre an idiot
A father had me arrested for being in house after school with his 16 year old. He called the cops from his job, and told them I didn't have his permission to be there.
After a knock on the door, guess what? Handcuffs
Stick to things you know
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:16 pm to League Champs
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reasonable person standard, says that she has no authority at that hour of the night
Wrong.
As a resident, she legally has authority to grant access until the owner denies that access.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:16 pm to RobbBobb
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father had me arrested for being in house after school with his 16 year old. He called the cops from his job, and told them I didn't have his permission to be ther
Yeah, but you were 30 at the time.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:17 pm to RobbBobb
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A father had me arrested for being in house after school with his 16 year old. He called the cops from his job, and told them I didn't have his permission to be there.
After a knock on the door, guess what? Handcuffs
Stick to things you know
You got fricked then.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:19 pm to League Champs
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reasonable person standard, says that she has no authority at that hour of the night
except the daughter is 14, and not subject to reasonable person standard because she was old enough to know exactly what she was doing and the repercussions. god i hope you're not a lawyer irl
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:20 pm to League Champs
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As a resident of an apartment complex, does the owner have the right to ban people from my unit?
If 14 year old is on my Netflix account, does she have the legal right to give out my login to every kid in her class?
That's not how any of this works. First off, Netflix isn't even a location. Second of all, I think we can all agree a child is different than your landlord.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:22 pm to theenemy
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As a resident, she legally has authority to grant access until the owner denies that access.
Please, please tell me youre not a lawyer??
God, I hope not.
Any reasonable person would assume that he had denied her right to have someone in his house at that hour of the night. That notification did not need to be expressly given, nor even in writing
Just as a homeowner isn't required to post "No Trespassing" signs, on all their doors, windows, and skylights. Its a reasonable expectation
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:24 pm to gthog61
The kid was probably invited in by the daughter. You aren't an intruder if you are invited. It will never be known by anyone who wasn't there exactly how this played out. Maybe the father came in and thought the daughter was being raped or something. Maybe it really was a real misunderstanding. But if it wasn't a misunderstanding... the penalty for teenagers experimenting with sex shouldn't be death, and you are totally fricked if you think it should be.
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:31 pm to Masterag
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except the daughter is 14, and not subject to reasonable person standard
And the 17 year old?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:31 pm to theenemy
quote:This is false.
The shooter only has to believe or perceive the person as an intruder
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:35 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:You say that like it's an impossible story to believe that a dad in a fit of rage after possibly busting his daughter banging some older dude at 3am may shoot that dude.
so this guy wakes up and finds someone in his house at 3 am and shoots him... but you think he woke up, figured out who he was, and decided to commit murder because he was meeting up with his young daughter?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:35 pm to shel311
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This is false.
How so?
The standard is based on the person's perception of whether or not he or his family is endangered and whether or not that perception is reasonable.
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