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re: 164 years ago today: "No terms but unconditional and immediate surrender can be accepted."
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:10 am to Frac the world
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:10 am to Frac the world
Imagine being an American citizen still butthurt about a 4 year period of history that happened 160 years ago.
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Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:12 am to Cuz413
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Yankees were, and still are, spineless, money hungry, cowards
I get it you blame the refs
War was a fools errand for the south--no industry to support it
The south was beaten by logistics in spite of superior leadership on the southern side. It took the north years do find Grant and Sherman (LSU man)
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:15 am to Cuz413
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I'm talking about forced conscription and the ability of rich Yankees buying their way out or buying their sons way out.
the south did conscription first and also allowed people to buy their way out. then they made the people eligible who had bought their way out too
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 11:16 am
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:25 am to jcaz
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Imagine being an American citizen still butthurt about a 4 year period of history that happened 160 years ago.
Glad you like the overbearing Federal Government, because I for one despise it.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:42 am to wadewilson
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Also the federal government was not created to be above the States.
How'd that work out?
Terribly, for all of us.
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A. The Articles of Confederation were dead decades before the Civil War and the union had been established.
Interesting you would bring up the AoC, this was a perpetual union that the States left to ratify the Constitution. Why was it ok for States to leave the AoC, but not the US where secession was not forbidden.
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B. The CSA started the war. Remember those mostly peaceful cannons at Sumter?
Using this same logic, the US started the war in the Pacific as it sunk a Japanese submarine hours before Pearl Harbor. But please ignore Lincoln sending warships to the South to agitate them to fire. Also, the moving of soldiers in plain clothes and otherwise hiding their uniforms is also considered an act of war of that time.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:44 am to RollTide1987
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Article VI, Clause 2 of the U.S Constitution of 1787 would disagree with you there. The Supremacy Clause clearly states that federal law trumps state law.
No it doesn't. It states the Fed Gov has jurisdiction over all matters granted to it. The States granted power to the Fed Gov, not to make it all powerful.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 11:46 am to RollTide1987
The drunk butcher
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:00 pm to RollTide1987
The only thing the Confederacy had to do to win the war is occupy Grand Rivers, Kentucky, and Cairo, Illinois, both of which it could have easily done in the early stages. But Jefferson Davis as the ideologue he was would not invade the neutral or northern territories of Kentucky and Illinois. That is why the Confederacy had two indefensible forts 12 miles apart in Tennessee instead of one fort at Grand Rivers where the Tennessee and Cumberland Rivers are only one mile apart.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:01 pm to Cuz413
quote:melt, year 164
Yankees were, and still are, spineless, money hungry, cowards that have other men fight their battles.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:11 pm to Cuz413
quote:People who say this type of thing do not understand power, sovereignty, or what happened when the states ratified the Constitution.
Also the federal government was not created to be above the States.
The U.S. Constitution stripped states of key sovereign powers.
States could not enter into treaties, alliances, or confederations with foreign nations.
States could not maintain standing armies in peacetime nor engage in war unless actually invaded.
States could not coin money, impair contract obligations, emit bills of credit, impose import/export duties, or make anything but gold/silver coin a tender in payment of debts.
States could not pass bills of attainder or ex post facto laws.
States could not leave the perpetual and indissoluble union except through constitutional amendment or consent of Congress.
And. of course, pursuant to the Supremacy Clause, federal law is the supreme law of the land; states cannot pass laws that conflict with federal authority.
The creation of the Confederate States of America was moronic (see Sherman's 1860 warning to the South) and unconstitutional (see Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1868)).
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:13 pm to Cuz413
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Yankees were, and still are, spineless, money hungry, cowards that have other men fight their battles.
When I think of brave, self sufficient men that do the dirty work themselves, I definitely think of antebellum southerners.
The South lost because their culture was simply inferior to a northern culture of excellence informed by Quaker values and fueled by Puritan work ethic.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:31 pm to Cuz413
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It states the Fed Gov has jurisdiction over all matters granted to it.
Exactly. So when a federal law or constitutional amendment contradicts a state law, what does that mean for the state law?
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:33 pm to Cuz413
quote:why couldn’t you losers pick your own cotton?
Yankees were, and still are, spineless, money hungry, cowards that have other men fight their battles.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:33 pm to ned nederlander
quote:When Sherman was at "LSU," he warned the people of the South:
When I think of brave, self sufficient men that do the dirty work themselves, I definitely think of antebellum southerners.
The South lost because their culture was simply inferior to a northern culture of excellence informed by Quaker values and fueled by Puritan work ethic.
quote:- William T. Sherman
You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about.
War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors.
You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:33 pm to theunknownknight
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Lincoln was a war criminal
The South had every right to secede
The historical revisionism of the Lost Causers.
The South seceded before Lincoln was even president.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:36 pm to Strannix
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The drunk butcher
People who repeat the "butcher" myth are people who have been so inundated with Lost Cause ideology it's not even funny. Robert E. Lee suffered more casualties and at a higher ratio than Grant did during the war. The myth comes from the Overland Campaign where Grant was maneuvered by Lee to attack in costly frontal assaults against entrenched positions.
Regardless, Grant and Meade were able to immobilize and besiege Lee south of the James River just six weeks after the commencement of their campaign against him. Meanwhile, the other segments of Grant's offensive against the Confederacy (Sherman around Atlanta and Sigel/Sheridan in the Shenandoah Valley) slowly wiped the South off the face of the map.
This post was edited on 2/16/26 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:39 pm to Harry Boutte
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The South seceded before Lincoln was even president.
And when did the war start again? Connect the dots to my post. Welcome to 3rd Grade comprehension.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:48 pm to theunknownknight
The Deep South states seceded as a direct result of Lincoln's election. It's foolish to state otherwise.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:49 pm to RollTide1987
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Exactly. So when a federal law or constitutional amendment contradicts a state law, what does that mean for the state law?
It is a bit messier after incorporation with the 14th amendment, but as long as the law isn't unconstitutional, State law wins. Look at gun restrictions in lots of Blue states, or CCW.
Posted on 2/16/26 at 12:52 pm to theunknownknight
quote:The war started when Confederate forces shelled a United States fort.
And when did the war start again?
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