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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:51 am to rocket31
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the 2019 sfp version and its obsession with narcissism is...interesting
especially when youre just as narcissistic as the rest of us
i mean, you do know that introspective self analysis is my thing, right? i used to be one of the biggest leftists on this entire site
this discussion ties into a lot of that and what i've realized that i've done wrong. wasted my life, even, you could say (b/c all the gifts i had peaked already and they're going to decline until i die)
i've never (legitimately) claimed that i'm perfect and have always been perfect, baw
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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we can no longer assume that "free sex" has no negative consequences
It probably doesn’t, but I’m not sure how you can do anything about that if you value living in a free society because, while some people do have a drive to have kids, when you’re talking evolutionary drives it’s mainly to have sex. I think that’s where your selfish/narcissism thing gets it wrong.
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
also, this discussion fits in really well with this quote
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I can live with no responsibility whatsoever, the price I pay is that nothing matters; or: I can reverse it, and everything matters, but I have to take the responsibility that’s associated with that. It’s not so obvious to me that people would take the meaningful path. Now, when you say: well, nihilists suffer dreadfully because there’s no meaning in their life and they still suffer; yeah, but the advantage is they have no responsibility. So that’s the payoff, and I actually think that’s the motivation. Saying: well, I can’t help being nihilistic, all my belief systems have collapsed; it’s like: yeah, maybe, maybe you’ve just allowed them to collapse because it’s a hell of a lot easier than acting them out. And the price you pay is some meaningless suffering, but you can always whine about that and people will feel sorry for you, and you have the option of taking the pathway of the martyr, so that’s a pretty good deal, all things considered
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:52 am to PoppaD
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End of the day She seems real insecure about it, but she try's to frame it that she's superior
I would aggravate the shite out of her with subtle remarks about her childlessness
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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All this is true, but most people still have a drive to have children.
And if the drive for other things is greater?
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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i've never (legitimately) claimed that i'm perfect and have always been perfect, baw
not only that but you're a make believe lawyer!!!(who would aspire to that anyway?)
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:53 am to Pecker
My son was the best thing to ever happen to me and losing him was the most devastating thing to ever happen to me. So I'm calling bullshite on this.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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I can live with no responsibility whatsoever
I categorically reject he idea that not having kids means you live without responsibility or that you don’t care about anything.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:54 am to Draconian Sanctions
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but I’m not sure how you can do anything about that if you value living in a free society because, while some people do have a drive to have kids, when you’re talking evolutionary drives it’s mainly to have sex, which of course leads to kids if unchecked.
i'm not proposing any solutions
i'm just pointing out problems of mentality.
no solution i could propose can fix the mentality of someone else. they have to make that choice themselves
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:55 am to Areddishfish
If you truly don't want children, then by all means. It would be utterly irresponsible to have them and truly not want them.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:57 am to Pecker
This article is bullshite in its premise. My late wife and I had our first child when she was 21 and I was 23. We had 2 more over the succeeding six years.
We did all the things on that list with kids. Our kids just rolled along and did what we did. We went to Europe, we went fishing, we worked out, we worked long hours, we advanced our careers,, I built a business, I went on trips to sporting events with my friends, my wife went places with her friends. We even went on some trips by ourselves.
I guess we could have squeezed more in without the kids, but I really don't know when. We were always somewhere doing something, and most of it was damed enjoyable.
This list seems like it was written by someone with little money, little happiness, and no ability to say no. Seriously when my kids wanted to watch some annoying crap, I just said no.
We did all the things on that list with kids. Our kids just rolled along and did what we did. We went to Europe, we went fishing, we worked out, we worked long hours, we advanced our careers,, I built a business, I went on trips to sporting events with my friends, my wife went places with her friends. We even went on some trips by ourselves.
I guess we could have squeezed more in without the kids, but I really don't know when. We were always somewhere doing something, and most of it was damed enjoyable.
This list seems like it was written by someone with little money, little happiness, and no ability to say no. Seriously when my kids wanted to watch some annoying crap, I just said no.
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Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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this discussion ties into a lot of that and what i've realized that i've done wrong. wasted my life, even, you could say (b/c all the gifts i had peaked already and they're going to decline until i die)
Or it could be that you assumed your gifts to be greater than what they were. It's possible that your potential was never what you thought it was.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:58 am to Pecker
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And if the drive for other things is greater?
You'll most likely grow out of it unless you have absolutely no desire for kids.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 11:59 am
Posted on 5/3/19 at 11:59 am to rocket31
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animals commonly consume or kill their young when they dont want them
We’re animals and do the same thing.
Look, the root of it is that we are being forced to subsidize the breeding of those who can’t or won’t provide for their offspring. This is detrimental to society. Also, we’re seeing the promulgation of this idea that having no kids is the best thing ever...if you are young and white.
I’m against this notion taking widespread root. That our preservation doesn’t matter.
If all that matters is us and the now why bother conserving anything at all? Cut down all the forests, pollute as much as you want, save nothing, build nothing that lasts.
That’s the endgame of that line of thinking.
It’s dangerous and nefarious. And I’m willing to bet it isn’t spontaneous. These are planted ideological seeds. Intellectual contagions.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 12:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I categorically reject he idea that not having kids means you live without responsibility or that you don’t care about anything.
i think it exposes a fundamental mentality in most of that population. that quote is more general and nihilism doesn't directly apply to everyone in the population, it certainly fits the rockets of that world perfectly. for many others it's a "push it off until tomorrow" issue where they'll take responsibility...tomorrow
if you want to see some fricked up shite (and you will in real time as you get older), go read forums of women who are in that terrible period being post-wall but approaching 40 who figure out that they want kids. you either find extreme self-hatred or the most insane delusions
Posted on 5/3/19 at 12:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You'll most likely grow out of it
I sure as hell did, never was that materialistic but I've had a few cool toys, now that kids are all gone, no debt, plenty of dough, I just don't see the need, I do like to help the kids have a smoother path when I can help them out though, and travel
Posted on 5/3/19 at 12:03 pm to 777Tiger
Same with me. I didnt care that much when married but it changed over time.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 12:03 pm to Pecker
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Or it could be that you assumed your gifts to be greater than what they were
no
and that's not a brag. other than the objective data, i never challenged myself. i graduated summa cum laude from LSU without trying or bein challenged. i didn't even read in law school
now part of that was my socioeconomic status and part of it was an educational system that focuses on the lowest students instead of the highest, but that doesn't account for all of it.
i was more focused on strategizing the plan to make things easiest, which i did. when you do that, you lose a lot of the building blocks to development, which i did. when you realize you're doing it post peak (about 30 for males), it is what it is. i can't go back and change it.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 12:04 pm to TDsngumbo
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Children complete life
No they don't.
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I have some inlaws who refuse to have children and are going to be alone their entire elderly lives
I think it's comical that people think that just because you have children that it's a given you won't be neglected when you're older. Incredibly naive and not a reason to have children.
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I just don't see how that's appealing.
Yeah, all this free time and disposable income are really awful.
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