re: 155 years ago today, Vicksburg fell:

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My great, great grandfather was captured at Vicksburg. He was paroled a few days later.

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How does it feel being descended from treasonous scum?

Thanks for enlightening me. I did not know that the US government honored traitors. The army bases named in honor of Confederate Generals, the fact that Congress designates Confederate veterans as US veterans, and the VA purchases and supplies grave markers for Confederate veterans, would say you are mistaken. By the way, one of my many Confederate ancestors was captured at Vicksburg. I am fairly certain that they possessed more honor and sense of duty than you will ever know.

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Except the VC/NVA lost 1 million plus to our 58,000. Learn youself up baw

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Remind me. Who won the war?

That’s like saying Hillary got the popular vote doe! Or we got more yards, who cares about the score. It’s all about who got the W

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again? we kicked their arse until called off by pols

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That’s a fancy way of saying the north Vietnamese.

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not even taking the bait tonight but the US is/was a killing machine, we beat their asses in every way except the treaty

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Oh I agree whole heartedly we still lost though

Should have never gone over in the first place.

Says the guy who goes by fightin tigers, the name used in honor of Confederate soldiers. The ones LSU chose as their inspiration.

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If you mount up against us, you're gonna get crushed.

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give me an F-4 that's not tasked with babysitting Thuds that have been told not to drop bombs unless they are sure no one will be hurt by them, let the Buffs do their job, let us bomb NV airfields that we KNOW have MiG-21's based at but don't because the Ruskie pilots are getting some game time reps disguised as NV pilots, .....and so on

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Yeah, but none of that happened, 777. What happened is that we killed a metric shite ton of the NVA, they killed far fewer of us than we killed of them, but in the end, we left and they got the country.

They were not crushed. A crushed people don't win.

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Remind me. Who won the war?

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We did, In 1973 when we forced North Vietnam to sign the Paris Peace Accords. At that point, in 1973 the Vietnam War Ended. The US has stopped the North Vietnamese aim of overrunning South Vietnam. The Viet Cong was totally destroyed as a viable military force, the NVA had been bled white, and the North's air defenses totally wiped out.

In 1975 North Vietnam, rearmed and reequipped by the Soviet Union, launched another war when they invaded South Vietnam, two years after the end of the Vietnam War. In this new war the US (thanks to liberal Democrats in Congress cutting all military aid to South Vietnam) refused to aid South Vietnam despite the fact the US was treaty bound to come to their aid. Due to being abandoned by the US, South Vietnam was swiftly crushed by the Soviet backed North Vietnam.

Saying the US lost the Vietnam War would be like saying the US lost World War I because German invaded and conquered France in 1940.

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but none of that happened,

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if it was allowed to, well, you know, it was senseless in retrospect, but the people tasked with doing their jobs took it pretty seriously, their survivors took it very seriously, it's kind of being sort of pregnant, all in or all out, FUBAR for sure