re: 155 years ago today, Vicksburg fell:

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How fricking backwards is this place that this thread has a bunch of CSA sympathizers. Probably the same people that were wearing their American flag wife beaters, cargo shorts and flip flops last night while shooting bottle rockets in their ditch.

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I’m not a CSA sympathizer as I am a sympathizer with the ideals we fought for in the Revolutionary War, the right to choose your own government. The same ideals I still think all people in all countries across the globe should be able to choose for themselves, the same that my family and many other people’s families fought for in the Revolutionary war as well as the War for Southern Independence.

If you do not value those ideals, then you have no claim to yesterday’s Independence Day celebration, because quite simply, you don’t have a clue what it represents.

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My great, great grandfather was captured at Vicksburg. He was paroled a few days later.

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Mine too

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Look how long it took him to complete moving his army to lay siege

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Not exactly a vote in his favor.

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His engineering to move an army thy large to the areas it went are amazing.

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They ALL FAILED. Every single one. As you said, if not for that crazed running of the guns at Grand Gulf he may have never gotten his troops to Vicksburg. That doesn't sound like genius to me, that sounds like lucky desperation.

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Once on the east side he masterfully defeated CS troops to snare them in a trap back at Vicksburg.

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He had four times as many troops at that "masterful" victory at Port Gibson. I'm sure it took every ounce of his strategic acumen to carry the day and not the whiskey bottle.

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You should read about his campaign there. It’s a reason his command during that campaign is STILL STUDIED in war colleges today.

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Oh I'm sure it is: How to Squander Men and Resources 101 (with a minor highlight reel on Engineering Disasters). The class must be packed.

But seriously, if you ever want to study how a campaign should REALLY be run just pull up Lee's Chancellorsville or Jackson's Shenandoah Valley. THOSE were masterpieces.

They were fightin' to provide us with cheap whiskey.....they should be loved and remembered for the great men they were