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re: 1 in 3 Americans have less than $5,000 saved for retirement

Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53599 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:07 pm to
They are already starting.

Calling 401ks an inherently flawed system because people can choose poorly.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

Calling 401ks an inherently flawed system because people can choose poorly.



Lot of truth to that.
Posted by HotBoudin
Metry
Member since Sep 2003
1230 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:43 pm to
Please tell me that they do not vote.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:54 pm to
Dear lord. Counting 401k?

I’m golden. Lol
Posted by MrSmith65
Member since Apr 2018
959 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 3:59 pm to
We just moved a $1,000,000 to a Merrill Lynch account, and wife has a solid pension, to start in January. I'm banking 20% at the new company 401, and a few bucks more in the annuity market.

We will be fine.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15825 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:00 pm to
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Trying not to stump for my profession, but there are people who can help you figure this out now instead of taking a wait and see approach


I'm not just going to completely ignore it. I plan on every few years sitting down with a financial adviser and create a game plan for retirement investing based off where I am at that time. My 401k and Roth pretty much do their own things with Vanguard. I'll need to find where I have holes and adjust accordingly.
Posted by EveryonesACoach
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
898 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:00 pm to
I'm sure the numbers are skewed a bit if they included high school and college age workforce, but the fact is still mind boggling. I have saved 10% (plus employee 401k matches) for retirement since the day I left college, and my first job was under $40k a year, with a moderate student loan to pay back.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:01 pm to
stay with index funds and spend an hourly rate with a CPA for tax maximization. i don't think any financial adviser could beat that route (esp net return after fees)
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36799 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

stay with index funds and spend an hourly rate with a CPA for tax maximization. i don't think any financial adviser could beat that route (esp net return after fees)




Ah yes, the part of the series 7 where lawyers exempted themselves from responsibility for giving bad investment advice

I ‘member it
Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:06 pm to
Financial education in this country is abysmal. It should be mandatory in both high school and college. There are intelligent people who make terrible decisions because they are financially ignorant.

The smartest thing I ever did that completely changed my life was read a book called Get a Financial Life in Your 20s and 30s. I read it at about age 25 and followed it to a T.

Nothing earth shattering in it but it laid out a blueprint for how to get out of debt (if you were in it), save and make wise financial decisions.

I've given it to co-workers and family members to read.

Today, as I near 40, I'm well beyond the basic advice it provides but it's still a great book. It's served me well and my mind gets boggled when I see how little people save. $5K? That's less than a single year's Roth.

If it was up to me, Financial Education would be a mandatory class and you could cut some of the stupid shite we'll never use. Everyone needs to know how to manage money.
This post was edited on 8/27/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:09 pm to
WSJ: Index Funds Still Beat ‘Active’ Portfolio Management

Fortune: Stock-Picking Fund Managers Are Even Worse Than We Thought At Beating the Market

US News: Do Actively Managed Funds Really Pay Off for Investors?

quote:

Last year, a Morningstar study found that "actively managed funds have generally underperformed their passive counterparts especially over longer time horizons, and experienced higher mortality rates – that is many were merged or closed." Higher fees were the chief drag on active fund performance, Morningstar concluded, echoing many previous studies.

Over a 10-year period, active managers beat comparable index funds in only one of 12 categories, U.S. mid-value stock funds, Morningstar found. Among funds holding growth stocks in large U.S. companies, for instance, only 16.9 percent of active funds beat their passive counterparts over 10 years.

Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:11 pm to
Consumerism is a big cause of this situation too. For example, buying a new car is the biggest sucker's deal of all time. Never understood it. I've bought cars with less than 10K miles for 30 percent off what it would have cost new.

Never buy something you can't pay off in a month (except a house). I literally make a few grand a year in credit card cash back with Bank of America Premium Rewards. Charge everything, pay it off monthly and invest the free money. Profit.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
67660 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:12 pm to
Does it break it down by age?
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36799 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:14 pm to
You are comparing managed funds to financial advisors. A financial advisor helps with asset allocation and risk management, estate planning and issues, retirement projections, etc


Buying investments with no plan in place is just putting nails in a board and hoping you end up with a house. Some people do end up with a house by doing that, but it’s not usually the most efficient way
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:14 pm to
Wonder how far 1M will take me in Belize in 25 years?
Posted by yoga girl
Member since Dec 2015
3691 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:16 pm to
I could retire today.
Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:16 pm to
There are studies that show a chimp throwing darts at a board picks stocks better than "pros."

Warren Buffet is putting all of his wife's inheritance into an S&P 500 index fund. Slow and steady.

I don't like buy and hold as there are easier ways to reduce volatility but for 99% of people it's better than paying some schmuck to guess which stocks will do well.
Posted by eScott
Member since Oct 2008
11376 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:20 pm to
Once complications from the chemtrails kick in, medical bills are going to eat your savings alive.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:21 pm to
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according to Northwestern Mutual's 2018 Planning & Progress Study


Not that the data is wrong, but that is coming from a company that's core marketing plan is making people nervous they don't have enough retirement money.
Posted by BHTiger
Charleston
Member since Dec 2017
9539 posts
Posted on 8/27/18 at 4:23 pm to
Student Loan for a gender studies degree....brilliant parenting
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