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re: Yikes. This is the backup messiah that some of y’all are propping up?
Posted on 8/28/23 at 7:54 am to TackySweater
Posted on 8/28/23 at 7:54 am to TackySweater
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Yikes. This is the backup messiah that some of y’all are propping up?
Are 3rd string, 4th round QBs allowed time to develop at all, or do they have to automatically come in and play like Mahomes for the "hype" to be there?
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Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:03 am to TackySweater
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Haener RTG tonight was 36.3
What were Jameis' QB RTG in his rookie preseason games?
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In Winston’s 80+ game career, 36.3 would be his 2nd worst.
So Jameis has done worse in an actual game with starters than Haener did in his rookie season in a preseason game with 3rd stringers and practice squad players and you think this somehow makes your point about Haener being a bad QB?
One game means nothing, as you should know. Haener may end up being great, he may end up looking like a 4th round QB, or he may end up being a complete washout. I doubt anyone is making that determination based on this game. I'd be willing to ban bet you that he will be on a Saints roster when Winston is not.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:15 am to mdomingue
Probably the same guy as my ban bet 
Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:29 am to LSUZombie
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Are 3rd string, 4th round QBs allowed time to develop at all, or do they have to automatically come in and
There were several people ready to pencil Jake in as the backup over Winston. Now the argument has shifted due to the hate boner everyone has for jameis.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:30 am to goatmilker
Great Minds … and us too 
Posted on 8/28/23 at 8:58 am to LSUZombie
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Are 3rd string, 4th round QBs allowed time to develop at all, or do they have to automatically come in and play like Mahomes for the "hype" to be there?
I’m all on board. The new rules should make it more likely teams will keep 3. But to have posters anoint him as the clear cut #2 after 2 pre season games is silly.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:03 am to TackySweater
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But to have posters anoint him as the clear cut #2 after 2 pre season games is silly.
Not when many people have had enough of the JW experiment, Hill is still on the team and Carr misses few games.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:04 am to mdomingue
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What were Jameis' QB RTG in his rookie preseason games?
I couldn’t find it with a brief search last night. I’ll check today.
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One game means nothing, as you should know.
I agree.
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Haener may end up being great, he may end up looking like a 4th round QB, or he may end up being a complete washout.
Also agree.
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I'd be willing to ban bet you that he will be on a Saints roster when Winston is not.
This is probably true just based on the nature of the NFL and the age difference/contract situation of the two players. I believe Haeners contract is 4 years and Winston’s is 2? So yea, that’s not a huge out on a limb projection.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:06 am to goatmilker
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Not when many people have had enough of the JW experiment,
But as of now, Winston is the better option as your #2 backup right now for this team. People can be “fed up” all they want. But he’s the better option right now.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:10 am to TackySweater
You are missing the extra man part. On a 90 man team sure. But we must cut to 53. Are we really gonna keep 4 QB's at the expense of losing 1 player Tuesday who would have been safe on the 53?
Is it worth keeping JW to lose a young guy you liked to keep?
Is it worth keeping JW to lose a young guy you liked to keep?
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:11 am to tigerbait3488
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Considering the kid had about 0.8 sec to throw, wtf you expect
its as if some of these bozos dont even observe the game
how many time would winston have been sacked had he been in there...
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:20 am to goatmilker
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You are missing the extra man part. On a 90 man team sure. But we must cut to 53. Are we really gonna keep 4 QB's at the expense of losing 1 player Tuesday who would have been safe on the 53?
Taysom being the hybrid player he is makes it a little murky. He’s not really here to be a QB so saints aren’t keeping 4 QBs. If the staff came out and said “taysom won’t have any role on this team besides backup QB” then yea I’d say 4 is too much. But he’s going to play other spots.
Team may be in a better position with taysom playing QB over Haener right now. So why wouldn’t Haener be considered your 4th QB? He’s a rookie so they aren’t going to cut bait with him so soon.
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Is it worth keeping JW to lose a young guy you liked to keep?
You make this same argument but replace JW with Haener like I said above. But they want to keep him to at least see what happens and not admit that they made a bad pick. If this was year 3 for Haener and he was playing the same as he is now, he would be out.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:34 am to TackySweater
Haener is terrible. I said that after the 1st game
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:36 am to LSUZombie
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Are 3rd string, 4th round QBs allowed time to develop at all, or do they have to automatically come in and play like Mahomes for the "hype" to be there?
He’s playing against a bunch of guys that won’t even make the team on the opposing defense
Posted on 8/28/23 at 9:44 am to TackySweater
i like haener. he moves in the pocket well and he has that little bit of flair to his game. you can tell once he gets comfortable in the NFL he will be able to make some plays.
the only thing i didnt like about him last night was him forcing throws to krull. there were other receivers. why are you forcing the ball to krull in double coverage? he isnt kelce
the only thing i didnt like about him last night was him forcing throws to krull. there were other receivers. why are you forcing the ball to krull in double coverage? he isnt kelce
Posted on 8/28/23 at 10:01 am to Cheesy Beaver
Dude sucks
Posted on 8/28/23 at 10:08 am to TigerNlc
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Winston might be a decent backup but they played Dalton over him and drafted this kid
I think you are give DA way too much credit here. The medical staff forced the change in QBs. To DA's credit he didn't make the change back since Dalton was actually making the offense look somewhat competent.
Also, the only reason the team kept Winston is because he was under contract. I believe/hope they would have let him walk if he were a FA.
You bring Winston back because the cap hit is the exact same whether he's here or not (salary 100% guaranteed). I like him better than Haener/Hill if Carr gets injured and you need someone to finish the game. If you need 1-2 starts, go with Hill. Need several starts, run with the rookie because we're F'ed regardless of who starts.
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:44 am to Cheesy Beaver
I also like Haener’s style of play - quicker release, seems to have zip on short and intermediate throws. BUT, he had a rocky game last night. Jameis is a NFL-capable back-up with a $4M salary. The real test will be will the Saints risk exposing Haener on the practice squad? If he sucks so bad then no other team should want him, right?
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:50 am to LSU_Richoux
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Geez he was sure locked on #87 tonight. It was like no one else was running routes. He targeted him 15 times in just over a half of football.
did you ever consider that was intentional by design because the coaches needed to see if krull could make the case to stay on the team?
i think krull did ok, but he screwed up his routes enough that he may not make the cut. the interception in the endzone was where the ball needed to be, krull allowed his man to push him off his route and he was in the wrong spot.
it was clear the ball was being forced to krull for a reason. i think he was one of the few guys left on the field they needed to see more from
Posted on 8/28/23 at 11:53 am to Dissident Aggressor
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its as if some of these bozos dont even observe the game
how many time would winston have been sacked had he been in there...
Winston played with the same shitty backups
This board is the only one acting like there is a competition for the QB2. It’s ok to say Haener isn’t ready, it’s not an indictment on his future
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