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Why not just offer 4 firsts and give Houston the mind blowing deal they are seeking?

Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:50 pm
Giving up 4 firsts will hurt no doubt and you only do this if they aren’t interested in guys like Davenport, Roby, Peat, Ruiz or McCoy. Onyemata is almost the sole reason our run D is so good so I’m not letting him walk and no way Ramcyzk is in any deal. I’d like to keep McCoy too and give them Ruiz but I could stomach that so Ruiz moves to his natural position. But if they want picks then offer them 4 firsts but stagger them. Give them our next 2 firsts but then we get our 2024 1st then they get 2025, we get 2026 and they get 2027. You can even throw some mid round picks in there along the way to sweeten the pot. For a team that is in full rebuild they would get 2 straight 1sts but then they would get 1sts 4-5 years down the road to help them continue to build. The type of rebuild they are facing won’t be complete in just a year or two it’s going to take time and patience and this could be a deal that actually benefits both parties.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 5:52 pm
Posted by jamal
Places Unknown
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:52 pm to
If Deshaun says we are his preferred destination, what leverage does Houston have? He can veto any trade. So maybe you can get away with 3 1sts at the most.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8813 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:54 pm to
That would be great but has he said that? I’m just saying we could survive giving 4 1sts up as long as they aren’t 4 years in a row. We would need 1-2 years where we get a pick to restock the roster where it’s getting older. But 4 firsts for an elite QB isn’t a deal breaker if it’s put together right.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22284 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:56 pm to
Based on the fact they have turned some teams down and given Watson permission to visit the Saints would imply they are satisfied w what the team offered. Now it’s up to Watson to release the no trade clause after he does his due diligence. Can’t increase the offer to convince Watson even more
Posted by BUGAtGOAT
Munroe
Member since Oct 2015
1910 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:57 pm to
Yea if it’s 4 firsts only

Or

3 firsts some other late picks and one or two impact players (especially Ram)

Give me 4 firsts all day

We can’t take on DW and his baggage / contract and not keep the ready to win team we have now
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34976 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:58 pm to
quote:

If Deshaun says we are his preferred destination, what leverage does Houston have? He can veto any trade. So maybe you can get away with 3 1sts at the most.



The trades are all very similar.
I just hope they don't ask for more like they did to the dolphins.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48768 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 5:59 pm to
It’s reported that Watson himself is between Saints and Carolina as choice destination.

It’s speculated that Houston has received and tentatively accepted offers from both Saints and Carolina.

Saints and Carolina are meeting Watson in person today/tomorrow.

That’s where I believe it stands at this point. Someone correct me if incorrect.
Posted by Wardniner01
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:01 pm to
quote:

Deshaun says we are his preferred destination, what leverage does Houston have? He can veto any trade. So maybe you can get away with 3 1sts at the most.


Wait until after the meeting and if true it's between us and Carolina, if he knocks them out reduce our offer to a few 7ths and Taysom. Hell give them one first to take paytons dumbass gift contract to Taysom.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77204 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:04 pm to
We don't need to volunteer any mind blowing deal.

Getting Watson to pick us gives us very nice leverage. You can't low ball houston but you can work a better deal for the Saints no doubt.
This post was edited on 3/14/22 at 6:10 pm
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8504 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:11 pm to
Why would we pay more when the Texans are already in agreement with our offer? At this point it’s up to Watson
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34976 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

It’s speculated that Houston has received and tentatively accepted offers from both Saints and Carolina.

Saints and Carolina are meeting Watson in person today/tomorrow.

That’s where I believe it stands at this point. Someone correct me if incorrect.


They are supposedly meeting tonight

I don't know if they have accepted offers from both carolina and the saints but I'm sure it's close.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8813 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:16 pm to
Does anyone know who gets the first meeting, us or Carolina? Because that is a big deal. You don’t let him leave the building if we are first.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
50060 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:18 pm to
That is dumb. Houston has no say here unless they just refuse to trade him. Watson holds most of the cards, he is the one you have to win over. Just have to offer Houston something fair. But once he is convinced I would definitely low ball Houston, not sharpest tools in the shed over there.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8504 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:19 pm to
He’s meeting both teams in Houston. There isn’t an option to prevent him from meeting the other team. Both teams have traveled to Houston so he’s not going to tell one of them never mind.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8504 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:19 pm to
That’s not exactly true. Lowballing will just make Houston open up for other offers. This would be a terrible idea.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82521 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:29 pm to
We're over the cap and won't be able to keep everyone we currently have.

If we can't replace those guys via the draft, we have to find free agents who are cheaper than the players we allow to leave (ie not as good).

A good QB with no team around him is the 2014-16 Saints.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
48768 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:33 pm to
But it’s also a long game play.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77204 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:50 pm to
quote:

A good QB with no team around him is the 2014-16 Saints.


And then what team had the most regular season wins for four years?
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
50060 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 6:59 pm to
My point is Watson has to agree to any deal. So we don’t necessarily have to beat the Carolina offer now that it is down to just the Saints and Panthers. Watson is the one that has to be sold
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82521 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

And then what team had the most regular season wins for four years?


The team that drafted Lattimore, Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Kamara in 2017.

That's why you don't pay a king's ransom.
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