re: What is your opinion of Loomis?

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What is your opinion of Loomis?

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This is the poster inside his office:



He needs to hire better personel evaluaters. I don't know if he's listening to the coaches or evaluaters or Miss Cleo or what, but the personell discisions have been piss poor unless we pick up guys on the cheap.

Pro:
Brees - on the cheap due to shoulder injury
Vilma - Traded a 2nd round pick for a guy who would be a FA the next year.
McCray - Cheap back up who plays better than our starters (see Cons)
Draft: M. Colston, Porter (maybe), Ellis (we'll see) and C. Nicks.

Cons:
Grant - WTF has he ever done to deserve that kind of money?
Smith - He didn't even get to a contract year and both our DE's were outplayed by their backups
Payton - Great first season, but disappointment afterwards = big extension apparently.
Shanle - Why is he still on the team???
KK - See Shanle comments above.
Jason David - (no comment needed)
Jeff Fain - Let him go to the Bucs. I think he's a bigger loss than most people realize IMHO.
Draft: Mecheam (Not picking Olsen), Mehlhaff, A. Pittman and U. Young

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Jeff Fain - Let him go to the Bucs. I think he's a bigger loss than most people realize IMHO.

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We werent gonna make Faine the highest paid center in history, which is what he got from Tampa

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But ultimately, the decision to resign and keep him was Payton's

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Its obvious you dont like Payton but he doesnt negotiate deals.

Loomis got bitch slapped by Grant's agent

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Its obvious you dont like Payton but he doesnt negotiate deals

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Dude, the deal was absolutely a fair deal for a top DE talent. Loomis' contract is only bad, because GRANT SUCKS arse. Payton tells him he needs this guy signed, and Loomis signs him.

What don't you get???

If a manager of a business tells the owner that he believes a certain employee is worth a large contract, that owner goes and hires the guy, and the guy turns out to be the bumb; who's at fault? The manager.

Payton sais who he wants for his team; Loomis signs the guy.

Contract is good for a good player, but player is bad; thus, horrible signing.

All are responsible, but this is mainly Payton's fault

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All are responsible, but this is mainly Payton's fault

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You still seem to be glossing over the point that we GROSSLY over paid for Grant. It's one thing for Payton to tell Loomis he needs Grant signed, it's another thing for Loomis the bean counter to not tell Payton "Have you seen his stats? He wants top 5 money and he's probably not even in the top 20 of DE's in the league." Signing Grant may be on Payton, but over paying for Grant is on Loomis IMO. You are right that the blame needs to be shared though, just like most FO regime's they'll probably rise and fall together.

More of a referendum on the Grant contract than of Loomis overall so the ESPN report at the time is applicable. Relevant points highlighted-

In a deal that locks up one of their standout young defensive ends long-term, the New Orleans Saints on Thursday reached agreement with five-year veteran Charles Grant on a new seven-year contract.
The monster deal for the left end could be worth as much as $63 million over the course of the seven years, league sources told ESPN.com, and it includes $20 million in guarantees. That includes an initial signing bonus and also a guaranteed option bonus due next spring.
Negotiated by agent Bill Johnson of Atlanta-based ProFiles Sports, Inc., the contract will pay Grant $24 million in its first three years (note: maybe cuttable after that) and nearly $35 million in the first five years. In terms of structure, payout and guarantees, the contract is close to the deal that linebacker Adalius Thomas signed with New England earlier in the free-agency period. Over the past seven months, Johnson, along with partner and ProFiles founder Pat Dye Jr., has negotiated over $100 million in new contracts.
"We've been talking on and off since they put the franchise tag on Charles ... and things really picked up the past two weeks," Johnson said. "I think everyone was anxious to get it done, and the numbers finally came together. There was no doubt that, if the deal was right, Charles wanted to stay [in New Orleans] for the long haul. He believes in what is going on there and the direction [general manager] Mickey Loomis and [head coach] Sean Payton have the franchise going."
Earlier on Thursday, the Saints officially acquired former Indianapolis cornerback Jason David when the Colts declined to match the restricted free-agent offer sheet to which New Orleans signed him last week. The Saints will surrender a fourth-round pick in this year's draft as compensation for signing David.
Grant teams with right end Will Smith, another former first-round choice, to provide the Saints one of the best outside tandems in the league.
The Saints designated Grant as a franchise player at the outset of the free-agency period, essentially by making him a one-year qualifying offer of $8.64 million. Grant is the first of the league's seven franchise players to reach a contract agreement.
Last month, Grant visited with Tampa Bay officials for two days, but the Bucs never made a contract offer. The Bucs later suggested that the visit was aimed at getting to know Grant a little better in the event he was eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. The long-term contract now precludes that possibility.
By signing Grant to a long-term deal now, before a mid-July deadline, the Saints regain the franchise designation and can use it on another player in the future, if necessary.
A former University of Georgia standout, Grant was a first-round choice in the 2002 draft, the 25th player selected overall that year. An excellent two-way defender who always plays with a big motor and nasty temperment, Grant has appeared in 80 games, all as a starter, and has 349 tackles, 36 sacks, 12 forced fumbles, five fumble recoveries, one interception and 15 pass deflections.

Duncan nola.com today-

I'd do exactly what the Saints plan to do with Grant. Get him healthy. Get him in shape. Get him motivated. And turn him loose. Those are really the only options. I think it was a mistake to give Grant the money the Saints gave him two years ago. Grant hadn't demonstrated the kind of consistent production worthy of such a deal. He's a solid starter, but not an upper echelon end. Grant's deal makes him almost impossible to cut or trade at this point. It would cost the Saints more than $5 million in cap charges because his bonuses would accelerate to this year's cap. And face it, who's going to want him? His trade value is limited considering: 1.) he's saddled with a huge contract; 2.) has missed games the past two years with injuries; 3.) is facing a four-game suspension next season; and 4.) has produced 14 sacks in four seasons. I know a lot of people want to move Grant to tackle but, like the move of Usama Young to safety, it's not that easy. First of all, Grant is not built to play tackle, which requires short, powerful players to keep a low pad level and hold their ground at the point of attack. Grant has played end his entire career. He would have to learn new techniques without any guarantee that he would master them. Besides, the Saints drafted Sedrick Ellis to play the 3-technique tackle spot and love his big-play ability from that position. That tackle spot is the one Grant would most ably man if he made a move and the Saints are about to move Ellis to nose after trading up to take him in 2008. And there's absolutely no way Grant can play the nose. So, as you see, you would create more problems than solve them by moving Grant to tackle. Now Grant could and has moved inside during passing situations. He did that often last year and probably will do again this season. But that's strictly a situational move not a permanent one.

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Contract is good for a good player,

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no it's good for a great player

grant is good, sometimes. rarely, if ever, great

loomis fricked up. big time.

SFP put me on the tired of the Caub glare list