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re: We need a new center now
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:11 am to htran90
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:11 am to htran90
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because what's working is barely getting by.
It's working. We're winning football games and outscoring teams 108-55. That's barely getting by?
Has anyone ever thought, dare I say it, our RB's just might not be very good? Sure, sometimes running plays are blown up in the backfield, but in retrospect, that happens seldom. We all know Ingram blows, PT23 is playing okay, but historically, he's not that effective of a back. Sproles is actually having a decent year rushing, he's not taking many handoffs, but he's playing the best of the 4 (including Robinson now).
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Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:14 am to elprez00
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Grubbs had a pretty bad game against Mia.
One bad game so cut him?
Then we should have cut Brees last year after that terrible performance against ATL.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:14 am to 4thandinches
We're talking about drafting.
Why are you so opposed to drafting?
Why are you so opposed to drafting?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:15 am to 4thandinches
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Our line is playing just fine
NO quote:
We're 4-0. Why change what works?
Because it's a long season
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What does it matter where a player plays college ball? This is the NFL we're talking about here. I couldn't care less if we drafted a stud from Blue Cliff Community College Online. If he contributes to the team, why should it matter if he played at LSU or Bama?
Easy, guy. It was clearly a joke.
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Someone mentioned drafting Copeland from LSU.... WHY?
I did. Because he would be an awesome fullback and offensive weapon on short yardage and blocking.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:20 am to LSUZombie
No comment, at all to the first 3 statements. Not worth arguing over, but
No. Collins is our FB, and he's one of the best in the league. He's also 27 years young. Lot of football left in this guy. It would be foolish to waste a draft pick on a FB.
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I did. Because he would be an awesome fullback and offensive weapon on short yardage and blocking.
No. Collins is our FB, and he's one of the best in the league. He's also 27 years young. Lot of football left in this guy. It would be foolish to waste a draft pick on a FB.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:21 am to jembeurt
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I still say that losing Kromer is the biggest problem for this line.
:kige:
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:22 am to LSUZombie
Center is not the only problem and he is not causing the issues with Grubbs and Evans. Evans is clearly not 100%(but did look better against Miami then he has all season) and Grubbs' only good game was against the Cards.
Strief is the only lineman doing remotely well run blocking. The whole interior is getting beat one on one on a consistent basis and when we run to Brown's side the backs always have to bounce it outside.
At this point the only run in our playbook should be Off Tackle to the right.
Strief is the only lineman doing remotely well run blocking. The whole interior is getting beat one on one on a consistent basis and when we run to Brown's side the backs always have to bounce it outside.
At this point the only run in our playbook should be Off Tackle to the right.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:26 am to 4thandinches
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It's working.
Working currently doesn't mean working well. Have you seen our schedule? Seattle and San Fran have some great front 7's that are just as good as arizona's and tampa's, but they have better secondaries so if all cylinders aren't clicking for us we are fricked. We are 25th in rushing ypg.
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We're winning football games and outscoring teams 108-55. That's barely getting by?
6 point victory against atlanta @ home
2 point victory @TB
24 point victory against a not so great arizona team @ home
21 point victory against miami on primetime @ home
note the key, @ TB we BARELY won because we couldn't get a run game going
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Has anyone ever thought, dare I say it, our RB's just might not be very good?
Yes, but past history shows us that if sproles who is a 5.2ypc career is only getting 4.1ypc, I'm going with the line.
Oh and the rb who "is not THAT effective" averages 4.7ypc for his career is only able to get 3.5ypc this year, I'm going with the line.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:32 am to htran90
quote:Sproles and PT are much better at running than they're playing.
Has anyone ever thought, dare I say it, our RB's just might not be very good?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:38 am to Hoodoo Man
I'll chime in on the RB vs. Oline here also. It's CLEARLY the line and it isn't even a question. On nearly every play there is instant penetration into the backfield and the only runs that are really working are to the outside were the penetration doesn't matter.
I know everyone gives Ingram shite and believe me he deserves some of it. He is late hitting the holes and goes down extremely easily. But he was also getting hit in the backfield quite often as soon as he got the ball.
And PT and Sproles(and even Robinson this last game) are having the same exact issues. Thankfully they aren't as easy to take down but when every single back is getting hit in the backfield it is a blocking issue.
I know everyone gives Ingram shite and believe me he deserves some of it. He is late hitting the holes and goes down extremely easily. But he was also getting hit in the backfield quite often as soon as he got the ball.
And PT and Sproles(and even Robinson this last game) are having the same exact issues. Thankfully they aren't as easy to take down but when every single back is getting hit in the backfield it is a blocking issue.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:45 am to bonethug0108
Should we take a look at P.J. Lonergan?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:54 am to Hoodoo Man
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I agree that we should draft a center.
But I'm not convinced he's the problem.
Wasn't he the starting C for most of 2011? 6th in rushing that year. Just saying.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:01 am to bonethug0108
It's Payton's fault. He had our linemen doing crossfit when they should have only been doing squats, power cleans, snatches,and bench press for weight training.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:01 am to bonethug0108
Bone got it right.
What we need is Evans and Grubbs back to playing like they can. DLP is never going to be all-pro but he is not being helped at all by their poor play so far.
kromer leaving has hurt a bit and its obvious.
Your not going to get any help this time of year for the O-line except for the bench.
These are the horses we have for this year and that leaves no doubt the O-line will be addressed in the draft and possibly free agency.
What we need is Evans and Grubbs back to playing like they can. DLP is never going to be all-pro but he is not being helped at all by their poor play so far.
kromer leaving has hurt a bit and its obvious.
Your not going to get any help this time of year for the O-line except for the bench.
These are the horses we have for this year and that leaves no doubt the O-line will be addressed in the draft and possibly free agency.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:04 am to bonethug0108
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know everyone gives Ingram shite and believe me he deserves some of it. He is late hitting the holes and goes down extremely easily. But he was also getting hit in the backfield quite often as soon as he got the ball.
I was full on riding the "Kick Ingram's arse Out Of Town" bandwagon earlier, but it has become increasingly obvious that our line is AWFUL at run blocking this year.
I still am very underwhelmed with what we've gotten out of MI for the 1st round pick, and I wouldn't be sad to see him go but I think we need to take the running of all of our RB's with a grain of salt this season. Until that line is fixed AP himself couldn't run the ball here.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:06 am to htran90
I would just ignore this 4thand inches guy instead of wasting your time.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:06 am to goatmilker
I hate to say it but if Evans can't get back to form with his monster contract, he needs to take a pay cut or get cut next year. Injuries have wrecked so many great players' careers and I just hope this is a nagging injury for him and not something that will do him in.
As for Grubbs I have no idea what his problem is. He just consistently gets pushed aside on runs.
Maybe it's the zone blocking scheme? I often see the line try to shift left or right right after the snap and we aren't hitting the Dlinemen straight on thus allowing them to push our interior linemen's shoulders and easily walk up field to the back.
In other words, we aren't getting a hat on a hat. we are getting a shoulder on a hat if that makes sense.
As for Grubbs I have no idea what his problem is. He just consistently gets pushed aside on runs.
Maybe it's the zone blocking scheme? I often see the line try to shift left or right right after the snap and we aren't hitting the Dlinemen straight on thus allowing them to push our interior linemen's shoulders and easily walk up field to the back.
In other words, we aren't getting a hat on a hat. we are getting a shoulder on a hat if that makes sense.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:12 am to bonethug0108
honestly I thought Grubbs would come into this season motivated and ready to go after he missed out on the Superbowl run with the Ravens...
you start to wonder if he is one of those guys that will never be the same after they get paid
you start to wonder if he is one of those guys that will never be the same after they get paid
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:16 am to bonethug0108
Evans costs more to cut than keep next season and Grubbs looks to be about even. Obviously their play could improve this season, but if not I'd treat them as sunk costs, load up on interior linemen in the draft (center first), and let them all battle it out for the starting gig. I think Loomis/Payton goofed this offseason by converting so many different players' base salaries to signing bonuses instead of doing it with just Brees. We're going to live and die by his play over the next 5 years anyway, so go with the guy you need just in case something goes wrong with those other guys like Evans, Grubbs, Lofton, etc...
Posted on 10/2/13 at 10:22 am to THRILLHO
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We actually save $2.5 mil cutting Evans next year but you are right about Grubbs. We only save $100,000 if he's cut so definitely not worth it.
Also, we were saving the Brees restructure until next year as we can turn a much larger portion into a bonus as his base is much higher.
Edit:
To get more into that, we were obviously looking to keep the guys we restructured for another 2 years so you do them this year. Next year if we did them it would be harder to cut them because you basically push it off another year.
We actually save $2.5 mil cutting Evans next year but you are right about Grubbs. We only save $100,000 if he's cut so definitely not worth it.
Also, we were saving the Brees restructure until next year as we can turn a much larger portion into a bonus as his base is much higher.
Edit:
To get more into that, we were obviously looking to keep the guys we restructured for another 2 years so you do them this year. Next year if we did them it would be harder to cut them because you basically push it off another year.
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 10:28 am
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