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Unpopular opinion? That PI on Punts rule is a good rule
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:07 am
WWL postgame had them discussing the rule being one that may need to be changed, but this is not a good idea. While certainly holding should've been called, there should never be a PI on fake punts. Gunners are there to block downfield, and they are never looking back at the punter. If PI is in effect, then they are put in a terrible spot. They won't know if it's a pass, thus will get flagged while blocking. Or they have to watch the backfield after snap and get smoked when they try to block. Teams would start fake punting often because they know they are almost guaranteed a PI call.
No plays should be ran strictly because they know a flag is likely to be thrown.
Once you think past the emotion of the moment and look at the reason for the rule and the impact on the game overall, there really isn't a good argument to be made that states PI should be called in these situation.
That was a hold though...
No plays should be ran strictly because they know a flag is likely to be thrown.
Once you think past the emotion of the moment and look at the reason for the rule and the impact on the game overall, there really isn't a good argument to be made that states PI should be called in these situation.
That was a hold though...
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Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:08 am to Midget Death Squad
I agree it’s a good rule
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:11 am to SirWinston
No issue with it not being pass interference, but the holding should have been called. Even if the pass was never thrown, he was still holding the shite out of him.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:12 am to Midget Death Squad
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WWL postgame had them discussing the rule being one that may need to be changed, but this is not a good idea. While certainly holding should've been called, there should never be a PI on fake punts. Gunners are there to block downfield, and they are never looking back at the punter. If PI is in effect, then they are put in a terrible spot. They won't know if it's a pass, thus will get flagged while blocking. Or they have to watch the backfield after snap and get smoked when they try to block. Teams would start fake punting often because they know they are almost guaranteed a PI call.
No plays should be ran strictly because they know a flag is likely to be thrown.
Once you think past the emotion of the moment and look at the reason for the rule and the impact on the game overall, there really isn't a good argument to be made that states PI should be called in these situation.
Sorry, 30 yards down the field the gunner absolutely is aware it is a pass and the job in football is to now become a defender. It's part of the game and has always been schemed accordingly. Its not going for a cheap PI call, he was absolutely mugged with no intentions of defending a pass.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:15 am to Chad504boy
How does he know it's a pass? His only job on punt returns is to block the gunner until the whistle blows. When the defense is on the field, defenders are only allowed to put their hands on the WR within 5 yards (or 1yd if ball is in the air). For punts this is allowed the entire time.
You have two completely different scenarios here, and you can't put a player in position in which he is designed to block the entire play but then get flagged for blocking if the opposing team runs a fake.
If the Saints were on defense in this situation you would be saying how good the rule is.
You have two completely different scenarios here, and you can't put a player in position in which he is designed to block the entire play but then get flagged for blocking if the opposing team runs a fake.
If the Saints were on defense in this situation you would be saying how good the rule is.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:19 am to Midget Death Squad
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How does he know it's a pass?
pay attention. teammates scream pass. Is it your point saying that the defender didn't know he was defending a pass at that moment? Is that your argument?
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His only job on punt returns is to block the gunner until the whistle blows.
his job is to also defend against fake punts.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:24 am to Chad504boy
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Is it your point saying that the defender didn't know he was defending a pass at that moment? Is that your argument?
Partially. I'm saying we have no idea if he knows it's a pass or not, but I'm mainly saying it's an unfair position to put players into when their duty is to block and then that blocking can be penalized if the ball is thrown.
For the same reason a lineman can knock down a RB or TE within 1 yd of the LOS, there should be no PI thrown on fake punts. The 1yd at LOS offers more opportunities to know it's a pass as well, so they are at less of a disadvantage than the gunners.
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his job is to also defend against fake punts.
which he did by blocking the gunner and preventing him from catching the ball. His job is NOT to be watching the punter though. It is strictly to be blocking
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:26 am to Midget Death Squad
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While certainly holding should've been called
I'm not really in agreement even on this either.
The Saints were screwed on a couple of calls yesterday (the personal foul to extend the last TD), but that wasn't one of the calls.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:28 am to Midget Death Squad
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Partially.
He either knew or didn't know. Which is it? All these fake punts you see, defenders clearly know what's going on and what they are defending in those moments.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:28 am to Midget Death Squad
I dont get why everyone is upset.. the fake did not fool the 49ers at all, that is why it did not work.. it happens, the Special Teams coaches thought they saw something that could work and were wrong. If the Saints thought the 49ers were going to defend it like that and not be fooled, they never would have called that play.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:34 am to Midget Death Squad
Exactly. How on earth would anyone know that it is a pass play? They are not supposed to be looking at the punter.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:37 am to Chad504boy
I have no idea if he knew or not, nor do you. It’s not as clear as you claim it to be that defenders on punt coverage know what’s going on for fakes all the time.
None of that matters though, because blockers should never be put in a position to have to stop blocking. By your standard we need to force defensive linemen to stop blocking the moment the QB throws a ball
None of that matters though, because blockers should never be put in a position to have to stop blocking. By your standard we need to force defensive linemen to stop blocking the moment the QB throws a ball
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:38 am to Midget Death Squad
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I have no idea if he knew or not
but your whole point is based on that they don't know. Or couldn't know (when in fact they do know)
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:41 am to Midget Death Squad
The rule makes sense and should stay.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:43 am to Chad504boy
That not my point, and it is not a fact that they do know.
My point is they are designated blockers whose sole purpose is to block downfield. They should never be forced to have to watch the punter every punt play to make sure the ball isn’t being thrown, for that puts them at a significant disadvantage in their blocking assignment.
Regarding your point, we have no idea if they know it’s a pass or not. It’s more likely than not that he didn’t know it was a pass. He’s not watching the punter
ETA: it’s funny that I have offered quite a few reason why this rule is good, yet all you keep saying is they know it’s a pass. You have to offer something more than that to win this argument
My point is they are designated blockers whose sole purpose is to block downfield. They should never be forced to have to watch the punter every punt play to make sure the ball isn’t being thrown, for that puts them at a significant disadvantage in their blocking assignment.
Regarding your point, we have no idea if they know it’s a pass or not. It’s more likely than not that he didn’t know it was a pass. He’s not watching the punter
ETA: it’s funny that I have offered quite a few reason why this rule is good, yet all you keep saying is they know it’s a pass. You have to offer something more than that to win this argument
This post was edited on 12/9/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:51 am to SirWinston
Its a terrible rule Idgaf what formation your in if you throw it throwing rules should apply.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:54 am to Midget Death Squad
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My point is they are designated blockers whose sole purpose is to block downfield.
its not though. they do in fact have to defend against fake punts.
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for that puts them at a significant disadvantage in their blocking assignment.
cornerbacks live their life with disadvantages.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 9:57 am to Brandincookem
What no one asked the TV Ref was "What constitutes a punt formation". Wasn't it Hill that threw the pass, isn't he listed as a QB. Does anyone know the answer? I'm just curious about the rule and think that they did not intend to complete the pass but were going for a penalty on the play.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 10:20 am to BHS78
They are in punt formation thus it is a punt. It doesn't matter who the upback is in front of the punter. Whether it's a QB, FB or whatever, it's still a punt formation, thus punt rules apply.
Posted on 12/9/19 at 12:18 pm to Chad504boy
So you think the rule should stand until the receiver is a certain number of yards downfield? Does the blocker on the opposing team get a free pass further down the field since the Saints players would not have warned against the pass.
And, if you want to do away with the call, how do you defend the rule when the punter immediately throws the pass while the receiver is only 5 yards away? In tight coverage, there is no way for the gunner to know that quick.
And, if you want to do away with the call, how do you defend the rule when the punter immediately throws the pass while the receiver is only 5 yards away? In tight coverage, there is no way for the gunner to know that quick.
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