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re: Tua scored a 13 on the Wonderlic
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:42 am to RawDog7984
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:42 am to RawDog7984
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Guys such as terry bradahaw, Dan Marino, Jimmy Kelly all scored around the same as tua
Do't believe any of these took a Wonderlic test Doubt it even existed then.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:54 am to tigersbb
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Guys such as terry bradahaw, Dan Marino, Jimmy Kelly all scored around the same as tua
True, but:
1. They’ve changed the Wonderlic since then to make it more applicable to football decision making, not just an intelligence test.
2. The NFL game is a hell of a lot more complex now than it was then. You can’t compare football from the 70s and 80s to the complex schemes teams are running now.
There’s a reason you had to go back so far to find successful examples. More recently, you can only look at super athletic quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Watson to find QBs succeeding with a low Wonderlic (so far - remember that Vince Young looked good for a year or two as well) .
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:57 am to tigersbb
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Do't believe any of these took a Wonderlic test Doubt it even existed then.
I don’t know about the others, but Dan Marino famously scored a 15 on the Wonderlic.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:59 am to Lester Earl
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Imagine a world where arguing for drafting the consensus QB2 is considering being a contrarian.
Being a contrarian doesnt mean you are wrong all the time. It just means being right or wrong has nothing to do with you.
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You are weak and insecure lmao. Id advise you to delete but im going to quote just so other people can laugh at how weak you are.
Im weak because you are a contrarian? Look at the big brain on Brad!
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:06 pm to Alt26
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think that is kind of what the article is speaking to.
are these adjustments based off of his completion %?
Do we know? The author never does say.
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Beyond first read: -48.7%
Out of pocket: -63.6%
Adjusted platform: -35.2%
Move platform: -11.7%
Pressured: -22.4%
Into tight window: -2.1%
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:08 pm to RawDog7984
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Intelligence imo is the most important part of the qb position.
it's a particular type of intelligence
"thinking fast" is crucial for a QB
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:09 pm to Alt26
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The great QB's seem to all share a similar trait. An almost maniacal competitive instinct, combine with just a true LOVE of the game and competing. Brees loves it. Brady loves it. Manning loved it. Farve loved it. And they all flat out loved competing. Not so much because their dad's made them love the game. But because THEY loved the game.
i don't know anything about Tua but the guy he replaced, Jalen Hurts, is the guy you're talking about (and i think his dad was his coach, too, funny enough)
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:10 pm to Lester Earl
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saw you were the last post on this thread and said to myself "a million dollars that whatever the consensus of this thread is, LE will be in there arguing the other side"
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:21 pm to Mpd31
Love has a chance to be great
The way he can get out the pocket and bomb the ball is the new nfl
The way he can get out the pocket and bomb the ball is the new nfl
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:28 pm to MightyYat
I just saw something about tua only being able to handle rpo
That sark tried to put more pro style stuff in and he couldn't handle it, that scares me
Saints offense is hard to grasp
That sark tried to put more pro style stuff in and he couldn't handle it, that scares me
Saints offense is hard to grasp
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:29 pm to Alt26
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I think that is kind of what the article is speaking to. When things are perfect and the receiver is OPEN he's very accurate. Similar to Josh Rosen who had an even lower % in that category. It just that when things aren't "perfect" his numbers drop off significantly.
What are the numbers when things arent perfect and how do they stack up to the rest? We know he has a 105 passer rating when faced with pressure and is only sacked 13% of those dropbacks. Every QBs number drop off significantly when comparing open WR and clean pockets vs covered WRs and pressure
Yes, his WRs got open. Somehow that has morphed into something questionable with him. Hitting an open WR accurately is like QB 101. He checks that box. He's elite passing from a clean pocket, he's elite in early down passing, he's elite on standard dropbacks. Most would just call this a great foundation and not ding him for the team he played on. Compared to other QBs who cannot boast the same efficiency on the same types of plays.
I dont think Tua is perfect and the injury is obviously a wild card. He will perform better in certain systems but likely bust in others. Of course this is the risk in drafting 98% of QBs
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:37 pm to dcw7g
Doesn’t matter, Love is the target
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:37 pm to GynoSandberg
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What are the numbers when things arent perfect and how do they stack up to the rest?
If those numbers are based on comp%, we know:
In 52 pass attempts, let’s call it “under duress”: 23% comp %
The other 200 passes: 84% comp
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:38 pm to Lester Earl
But yes, article lacks a lot of context.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:43 pm to 50_Tiger
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That’s Jameis Winston level stupid.
He’s in a class all his own
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:45 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/17/20 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
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Tua has had one freak injury, but all that other stuff is overblown.
He’s got two surgically repaired ankles and a dislocated hip. Not sure saying it is “one freak injury” is being honest.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:07 pm to Suntiger
His ankle injuries were ankle sprains. The second surgery was the tight rope surgery to get him back on the field sooner.
Nagging ankle sprains aren’t exactly scary going forward
Nagging ankle sprains aren’t exactly scary going forward
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:18 pm to dcw7g
Tua has had WR’s that take 6 yard slants, 70 yards every time.
Including the injury’s and missed time, I don’t think he’s a 1st round talent anymore.
That being said, he’ll probably still get drafted top 20.
Including the injury’s and missed time, I don’t think he’s a 1st round talent anymore.
That being said, he’ll probably still get drafted top 20.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 1:19 pm to GynoSandberg
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What are the numbers when things arent perfect and how do they stack up to the rest?
Here you go, and it don’t look good for Tua. Worse than Rosen and Haskins.
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And then there are quarterbacks who chart extremely well when everything is neat but across the board, their numbers fell to dangerous levels when they were put in difficult contexts. These prospects should scare us.
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In 2018, this player was Josh Rosen — it was also Western Kentucky’s Mike White, but we're focusing on quarterbacks who were drafted much higher. Rosen's ball placement number when throwing beyond the line of scrimmage was the best in that class, but he experienced at least a 15% dropoff in ball placement under every single context I use to measure quarterbacks.
Beyond first read: -19.9%
Out of pocket: -35.5%
Adjusted platform: -23.9%
Move platform: -37.5%
Pressured: -24.8%
Into tight window: -15.0%
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In 2019, it's wasn't as easy to figure out who this player was; the best candidate was Ohio State’s Dwayne Haskins. Haskins was fine working beyond his first read, and that's always been his quality calling card as a tough draft pick. Everything else gave him massive problems:
Beyond first read: -1.1%
Out of pocket: -27.8%
Adjusted platform: -50.9%
Move platform: -40.0%
Pressured: -30.0%
Into tight window: -27.5%
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In 2020, it is Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa, and it's worse than it was with either Rosen or Haskins.
Beyond first read: -48.7%
Out of pocket: -63.6%
Adjusted platform: -35.2%
Move platform: -11.7%
Pressured: -22.4%
Into tight window: -2.1%
TUA TAGOVAILOA'S NUMBERS CAST CONCERN OVER NFL PROJECTION
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