re: This team will be historically bad

Are you stupid?

Every draft pick is incredibly valuable when your team is in the process of a major rebuild. I repeat, a complete tear down to the studs, REBUILD.

Every young player that you bring in, is a valuable commodity.

Not sure if you noticed, but we have a serious talent problem.

EVERY PICK IS PRECIOUS!!

Especially if you suck at drafting. You need as many darts to throw at the board as humanly possible to hopefully improve your hit rate.

Its called odds and probability. There is a city out west called Las Vegas that was built entirely on this principal. Look it up. It's amazing what you can learn.

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Its called odds and probability. There is a city out west called Las Vegas that was built entirely on this principal. Look it up. It's amazing what you can learn

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Funny you mention Las Vegas as the Raiders have been in the top third of the draft for 20 years and still suck worse than the Saints

And Mickey Loomis dedicated the last 2 years trying to be the Raiders

I don't know why we are trying to compare our team to the lowest common denominator to justify how shitty our team is run.

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don't know why we are trying to compare our team to the lowest common denominator to justify how shitty our team is run.

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Im not comparing them to anyone..

I just think its funny that the armchair GMs on this message board are convinced that stock piling draft picks is going to 'rebuild' this team when there is a mountain of evidence that all the draft picks in the world won't make a difference until you find your coach+QB combo

And its also been said ad nauseum that '2nd round QBs rarely turn into quality players'... So if the only way to get a good QB is in the top end of the 1st, and if we're going to be so historically bad that we win 3 games max, then Loomis has put you exactly where you want to be

This is the least talented roster since Ditka. Seriously, go look at position groups.

There isn't a single All Pro on the roster. Very few even close to Pro Bowl level.

The young tackles have promise.

The QB situation is as bad as it's been since before Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks.

RB is good but our best player is about to hit that 30 year old RB wall.

WR is a dude one hit away from retirement, a good speed guy and absolutely nothing else.

TE is a bunch of JAGs

G is really bad and OL depth is unproven.

The defense has zero Pro Bowl level players. There's a few with potential but no elite pass rusher. No elite lockdown CB.

LB is average.

This is a really really bad roster.

It's fine. They needed a reset.

All I really said was I want to competence from a CKM Saints team.

So not sure why you’re replying to me?

You are a Saints apologist and a Loomis lapdog.


Got it.

It's not going to be good, but there have been worse teams.

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This is the least talented roster since Ditka. Seriously, go look at position groups. There isn't a single All Pro on the roster. Very few even close to Pro Bowl level. The young tackles have promise. The QB situation is as bad as it's been since before Jeff Blake and Aaron Brooks. RB is good but our best player is about to hit that 30 year old RB wall. WR is a dude one hit away from retirement, a good speed guy and absolutely nothing else. TE is a bunch of JAGs G is really bad and OL depth is unproven. The defense has zero Pro Bowl level players. There's a few with potential but no elite pass rusher. No elite lockdown CB. LB is average. This is a really really bad roster. It's fine. They needed a reset.

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Pretty much spot on. If Kellen Moore gets really anything out of this group more than a token win or 3 the future is pretty bright once we get a qb.

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What are the odds of Vele being anything more than a 3rd wideout or rotational receiver?

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Higher than a 4th round pick being a significant player