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re: Spagnuolo
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:34 pm to Champagne
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:34 pm to Champagne
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He has not earned his paycheck since 2009
dude is one of the best in the business as far as the cap goes….
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Mickey Loomis is not a good evaluator of NFL talent.
you do realize that it's not ONLY him responsible for bringing in talent?
as far as our draft history, we've done bad at the beginning of the draft, and found studs later in the draft… problem is that most of the money falls to those underperforming top round picks, so that hamstrings you as a franchise….
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Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:34 pm to chRxis
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Made big plays for us and was decent in coverage.
this doesn't equal "huge loss"….
It does when the other option is horrible in coverage and gets burned on every single play
This post was edited on 10/28/12 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:36 pm to chRxis
Plus loomis isn't evaluating talent. He lets the head coach and his scouts do their job. He's a bean counter nothing more.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:38 pm to DelU249
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It does when the other option is horrible in coverage and gets burned on every single play
ah, there's the rub…. we shouldn't have Robinson as our "other option"… we should constantly be bringing in guys to compete to take that vacant spot, where ever it is on the field…. shame on the FO for basically handing the spot to a guy that clearly isn't very good….
but still, considering your description, plus his history of missing games, Porter was not a "huge loss", as you claim… a loss, no doubt, i'd love to have him right about now, but we'd likely miss him for around 4-5 games anyway, which we'd be in the same spot for those games as we are now with him in Denver...
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:41 pm to chRxis
They didn't hire mickey loomis to evaluate talent. it's his job to make the numbers work.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:54 pm to JS87
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Do you?
I know enough to know we shouldn't fire our DC after one year. Think about it. The guy came the year we lost multiple pieces on defense via FA, the year a chunk of our coaching staff is suspended, and the year that our defensive captain is suspended. Of course this defense is historically bad. Of course a HOF QB is gonna shred it apart. Did you really expect otherwise? This was the perfect storm. Stop putting all the blame on one person and just look at the situation this team is in.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:55 pm to j bro12
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The only reason why our D looked ok at times under Gregg was because of the ridiculous amount of blitzing he does. Which is also the reason why our secondary would get gashed so much (i.e. getting shredded by freakin alex smith and vernon davis last year).
This helps my argument.
Under spags our secondary is still getting gashed, our run defense is horrendous, front four can't get pressure, and the blitz isnt getting there when we do blitz.
There is a lack a talent. EVERYBODY AGREES on this board. I don't believe everybody believes we should be the worst defense in the history on the NFL. It's not just talent we lacking.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:58 pm to Hazelnut
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I know enough to know we shouldn't fire our DC after one year.
I don't think we should fire Spags, but he is getting a huge pass on this board. There is something fundamentally wrong, it's not just the lack of talent.
Posted on 10/28/12 at 11:59 pm to CM84
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It's not just talent we lacking
lack of talent + scheme that needs certain personnel with talent = historically bad defense….
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:00 am to CM84
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There is a lack a talent. EVERYBODY AGREES on this board. I don't believe everybody believes we should be the worst defense in the history on the NFL. It's not just talent we lacking.
You're absolutely not just lack of talent. It's also lack of leadership. We also had a little more talent under GW.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:02 am to HeadChange
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He needs a d-line with four future Hall of Famers who could make any defensive scheme look good for his inept POS defense to be effective.
FIFY!
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:03 am to Hazelnut
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We also had a little more talent under GW
for one season…. and we won a Super Bowl…. other than that, it's been bad under GW too….
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:07 am to chRxis
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for one season…. and we won a Super Bowl…. other than that, it's been bad under GW too….
I'm talking about last year. We lost some free agents on defense and didn't really replace them (with the exception of Lofton). Two solid guys we lost last year that I can think of off the top of my head are Tracy Porter and JoLonn Dunbar.
Dont get me wrong, we weren't very talented last year. But last year's defense had more talent than this year's defense imo.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:13 am to DelU249
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We lost Tracy porter, that's a huge loss.
he would be nice to have but not a huge loss. He was a solid cover guy but may have been the worst tackler in the league. He was often injured too.
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I think people don't understand that we do not have NFL players on defense. Greer is the 3rd corner on any other team.
Wow, Greer is a really good corner. Hes not healthy this yr and he still has been solid. Hes much better then Tracy porter.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:17 am to Hazelnut
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I'm talking about last year. We lost some free agents on defense and didn't really replace them (with the exception of Lofton). Two solid guys we lost last year that I can think of off the top of my head are Tracy Porter and JoLonn Dunbar.
Dont get me wrong, we weren't very talented last year. But last year's defense had more talent than this year's defense imo.
Basically the same talent level. Lofton is better than Dunbar. You added Bunkley. Same tier of talent or lack there of.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:20 am to chinesebandit76
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if the players you have clearly are not capable of running the scheme you want to employ, shouldn't you adjust to the personnell you do have?
I agree. It's like putting a square peg into a round hole. There is no way this d should be this bad in all phases on defense. Even w/ the lack of talent.
This post was edited on 10/29/12 at 12:26 am
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:20 am to JS87
No, the first year is never an effective measure of the worth of a d coordinator. Unless he's just lucky, teams rarely have the types of players already in place to run the kinds of schemes that coordinator will want to do. For example, Spag's defense is dependent upon getting pressure with your front 4. New Orleans's front 4 is designed to stuff the run and is not very good at rushing the passer. If Spags can get better pass rushers, his defense will work better.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:20 am to CM84
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You added Bunkley.
we sure could have used him tonight. not saying he would have been the difference but damn, we got whipped up front for the most part.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:21 am to CM84
He's been awesome for us in previous years. Off the top of my head there are 10-12 teams he would be at best a 3rd corner.
Not one of our defensive backs is even close to approaching "solid" play
Not one of our defensive backs is even close to approaching "solid" play
Posted on 10/29/12 at 12:28 am to JS87
As everyone has stated this D has no talent, but even with the lack of talent we shouldnt be this bad.
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