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So The Defensive Personnel Is Just Average
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:45 pm
Where should we start? Do we trade Grant and start with a speed rusher off the edge. We just got Ellis is round 1 of 08 draft, but the pocket rarely collapses in the middle. Do we go after a space eating DT? The defensive backfield's talent woes and depth seem to be rectified. We are once again vulnerable to the inside run. Scott Shanle is serviceable at best. Fujita is just a bit better, but not a difference maker. Seriously, what needs to be done for "true" improvement to take place.
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:55 pm to Green Ram 2
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what needs to be done for "true" improvement to take place.
You hit all the high notes. Upgrade Grant, DT and OLB.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:58 pm to Green Ram 2
Ellis is a legit DT who can be a force at times
Smith is a top 5 DE
Vilma is a top flight MLB
Greer and Porter were looking like the best corner duo in the NFL before thier injuries
basically we have elite talent at all three levels of the defense, we just need to build on that.
Smith is a top 5 DE
Vilma is a top flight MLB
Greer and Porter were looking like the best corner duo in the NFL before thier injuries
basically we have elite talent at all three levels of the defense, we just need to build on that.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:00 pm to Green Ram 2
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So The Defensive Personnel Is Just Average
This is a myth. Our backups are just average
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:05 pm to LSUpsychWARD
DT,OLB sounds good to me,i still think we a younger Sharper 
but we have him to groom someone so thats nice he will be here nother year or so im sure of it. I also would not mine looking for some better O-line guys to fill the spots
but we have him to groom someone so thats nice he will be here nother year or so im sure of it. I also would not mine looking for some better O-line guys to fill the spotsPosted on 12/22/09 at 2:09 pm to PHOENIXkRw
It also seems that quite often at first contact, our defensive players are moving backwards another two to three yards. When other defenses hit our RB's they stop in their tracks. 
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:32 pm to Green Ram 2
I dont know what the draft looks like but we desperately need a good outside lb that can rush the passer.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:33 pm to LSUpsychWARD
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So The Defensive Personnel Is Just Average
This is a myth. Our backups are just average
This
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:36 pm to NIH
quote:Arguable. Plenty of room for improvement in his game.
Ellis is a legit DT who can be a force at times
quote:This year
Smith is a top 5 DE
quote:He's the best the Saints have had in a long time
Vilma is a top flight MLB
quote:Yep
Greer and Porter were looking like the best corner duo in the NFL before thier injuries
quote:I wouldn't go that far.
basically we have elite talent at all three levels of the defense
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:38 pm to Green Ram 2
Well we just screwed ourselves by winning our first 13 ball games. So much for drafting high. Lol!!!! But seriously, those are good points we need to deal with, but not right now. Got a Super Bowl to win.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:39 pm to SJS Eagle 85
ellis' main issue is staying on the field
smith has looked like a top DE in three seperate years to me,'05, '06, and '09. the common thread? he was slim and in shape. seems like he was beefed up in '07 and he had the hernia in '08.
smith has looked like a top DE in three seperate years to me,'05, '06, and '09. the common thread? he was slim and in shape. seems like he was beefed up in '07 and he had the hernia in '08.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:43 pm to NIH
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Smith is a top 5 DE
Top 5? Really?
How is he better than these guys?
Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Julius Peppers
Mario Williams
Justin Tuck
I also wouldnt have him ahead of:
Trent Cole
Richard Seymour
Osi Umenyiora
he is having a great year but lets not tout him top 5 just yet.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:45 pm to Catman88
statistically he's better than all of those players w/ the exception of Allen who he's pretty much even with.
smith
41 tackles
12 sacks
3 FF
1 INt
those are top 5 numbers, he's always had this potential and had a similiar season in '06.
smith
41 tackles
12 sacks
3 FF
1 INt
those are top 5 numbers, he's always had this potential and had a similiar season in '06.
This post was edited on 12/22/09 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:50 pm to NIH
If he plays the same next year or even close he would push himself into the top category of DE but one good year doesnt put him in top 5 or even top 10 in my opinion.
Charles Grant however is pathetic this year.
Charles Grant however is pathetic this year.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:52 pm to Catman88
he's had two pro-bowl quality years in the past four seasons. and in one of those he had a hernia. it's not like this is his breakout year.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:55 pm to NIH
quote:Ellis rarely gets a push up the middle and almost never demands a double team in addition to spending a lot of time with the trainers.
ellis' main issue is staying on the field
quote:He had a good season in '06 but so did most everyone else under the new regime. If he had a hernia in '08 and it caused him to suck as bad as he did then he should've elected for surgery. I'm not gonna accept that he was fat in '07. Everybody that sucks has an excuse. It doesn't detract from the fact that they suck. That being said, he's having a great season in '09 and I hope '07 and '08 are the anomollies.
smith has looked like a top DE in three seperate years to me,'05, '06, and '09
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:56 pm to diat150
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I dont know what the draft looks like but we desperately need a good outside lb that can rush the passer.
I'm so tired of hearing this shite. We do not run a 3-4 defense. Pass rushing is the least used skill set in Greg Williams' Defense. The few times we run a 3-4 does not warrant getting rid of our talented OLB. now do we need depth there? sure, but we may have it in Casillas, Dunbar, or Arnoux, we will just have to see
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:59 pm to LSUpsychWARD
What we need to do is cut the fat arse on the other side of the line that just shows up to collect his pay check to feed his chilren.
Seriously since Grant signed his fat contract what has he done?
Seriously since Grant signed his fat contract what has he done?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:01 pm to SJS Eagle 85
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Ellis rarely gets a push up the middle and almost never demands a double team in addition to spending a lot of time with the trainers.
did you watch the NE game? we were able to effectively pressure brady b/c he couldn't step up for most of the night. ellis is also our best run stuffer and the run defense stats after he is gone prove his worth.
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He had a good season in '06 but so did most everyone else under the new regime. If he had a hernia in '08 and it caused him to suck as bad as he did then he should've elected for surgery. I'm not gonna accept that he was fat in '07. Everybody that sucks has an excuse. It doesn't detract from the fact that they suck. That being said, he's having a great season in '09 and I hope '07 and '08 are the anomollies.
he also had very good years in '04 and '05 but didn't start full time as howard was still on the roster. '07 was his only true bad year. he DID have a hernia in '08.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:02 pm to Catman88
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What we need to do is cut the fat arse on the other side of the line that just shows up to collect his pay check to feed his chilren.
He looks like he just doesn't care as of late. For the first 4 games though he played inspired it seemed. Hargrove and Ayodele have seemed to play like this at times but certainly not for entire games
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