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re: Saints trading CGJ to eagles for 5th and 6th round picks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well yeah they're old
not really. The average age of the top 10 safeties in the league is 29.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:53 pm to PoppaD
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It's a terrible deal that put an already cap hell team into a bigger cap hell team.
We're probably going to have to restructure him next year and kick the can down the road...again
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:53 pm to Vacherie Saint
In terms of contracts. you're not going to sign a 29 year old to a 6-year deal. This isn't 2001
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
who is suggesting we do that? what tf are you talking about?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 1:56 pm to Vacherie Saint
You said that we wouldn't be saddled with their contracts for as long, and yeah, I agree, they're old. It's not comparable to a younger guy like MW.
Now, if we're talking about MW's next contract when he's 29+? Sure. No way I'd saddle my team with a long-term deal then, either.
Now, if we're talking about MW's next contract when he's 29+? Sure. No way I'd saddle my team with a long-term deal then, either.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:01 pm to RB10
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Mathieu has been one of the better coverage safeties for a long time. Jenkins was always mediocre, at best. quote:How about the slot corner now? Whose filling that position? Mathieu. He still ranks near the top of safeties against the slot.
Cool…how is Matthieu going to play both safety and slot…at the same time…
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Now, if we're talking about MW's next contract when he's 29+? Sure. No way I'd saddle my team with a long-term deal then, either.
except no one is talking about that nor does it have any bearing on the conversation whatsoever.
the MM and TM7 signings are appropriately structured, team friendly, and give us fantastic value. They are both at or near peak and should remain that way for the extent of the contracts. They should give us similar, if not better, production compared to what we had. Retaining MW, then losing Jenkins anyway would have almost certainly made things worse financially and there's really no way around that. Mistakes made with Hill or Jenkins or Peat or anyone else are there regardless.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:04 pm to GeauxBayouBengals
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Cool…how is Matthieu going to play both safety and slot…at the same time…
You are aware that more than 2 safeties can be on the field at a time, yes?
If Mathieu drops in to cover the slot then PJ Williams or even Alontae Taylor will be on the field. That’s the beauty of having versatile players, they can be used in different ways.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:07 pm to RB10
I think we're OK. We still have Roby who can cover slot. He was a pretty good slot corner in Houston when he lined up there in 2020.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:07 pm to Vacherie Saint
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They are both at or near peak and should remain that way for the extent of the contracts.
2 years
Did you know that each will have a higher cap impact over those 2 years than MW over the same time period?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:09 pm to DiamondDog
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Nobody was giving Taysom Hill that much money, much less guaranteed money. Payton gets his buddy extended and paid. Then leaves the organization.
That contract really was stupid.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did you know that each will have a higher cap impact over those 2 years than MW over the same time period?
Its 3 years but yes, but what I didnt know was that we were going to have an unpaid NFL safety lining up next to MW had we retained him. Interesting.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:12 pm to Vacherie Saint
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but I didnt know we were going to have an unpaid NFL safety lining up next to MW had we retained him. Interesting.
Or we could just sign TM?
Over the next 2 years, MW+TM costs less than MM+TM
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2 years
Did you know that each will have a higher cap impact over those 2 years than MW over the same time period?
Their contracts are 3 years, not 2. At which point Williams has a cap hit of $18.7 mil and a dead cap of $20.1 mil. That’s compared to a COMBINED cap hit of $14 mil and dead cap of $2.2 mil in year 3 for Mathieu and Maye.
Stop being disingenuous.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Maybe? Then what? You dont get to just ignore the remainder of MW's contract. Why do you keep making these unrealistic arguments?
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:17 pm to RB10
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Stop being disingenuous.
He cant. he's desperate to convince the board that it was stupid not to give MW 70MM right in the midst of them trying to slash cap space to make room for Watson.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:17 pm to Vacherie Saint
Because they pull apart his argument when you look at the totality of things.
It's easier to frame an argument small with smaller info, and then just change the argument to something else when larger info is provided.
It's easier to frame an argument small with smaller info, and then just change the argument to something else when larger info is provided.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:19 pm to RB10
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Their contracts are 3 years, not 2
They're effectively 2 year deals. TM has a roster bonus of $2M in year 3 that I imagine is a poison pill. Plus his cap # blows up to almost $11M.
I imagine Maye will be cut after year 2 (if he sucks) or we will restructure after this year if he pans out.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:21 pm to bonethug0180
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It's easier to make my bad argument with incomplete and misleading info, or just change the argument to something else when other posters show that I'm dead wrong.
fify.
TM is old and declining
TM and MM signed 2 year contracts
MW+TM is cheaper than MM+TM
what other hot takes does SFP have?
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They're effectively 2 year deals. TM has a roster bonus of $2M in year 3 that I imagine is a poison pill. Plus his cap # blows up to almost $11M.
I imagine Maye will be cut after year 2 (if he sucks) or we will restructure after this year if he pans out.
They’re 3 years deals with an easy restructure or release option after year 2. I.e team friendly deals.
That’s exactly what everyone has been trying to tell you.
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