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re: Saints re-sign Juwan Johnson

Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:50 pm to
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I wanted the Saints to resign JJ.

Nobody is shocked a scholar such as you would.
Posted by Buzz Lightbeer
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:50 pm to
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Juwan Johnson


Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33836 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:52 pm to
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10 mil a year for Juwan Johnson????


It's probably much less in guarantees.

I actually like juwan Johnson when he is healthy.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:53 pm to
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Again, especially on a team as cap-fricked as us, who already pays their other TEs a combined cap hit of $22.6M

Who else has a cap impact of $30M/year for TEs?


do you ever shut the frick up about things that are proven you continually don't fricking understand at all. you think you always understand our cap limitations then continue to get your arse dragged up and done poydras. its embarrassing. shut the frick up. you aren't the cap wizard. you are just continually pissed that the saints actually have plans and the ability to both remain competitive, fix the cap situations and move forward.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127909 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:53 pm to
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It's probably much less in guarantees.



21 million in guaranteed money

Also:

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Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:54 pm to
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the ability to both remain competitive

Haven't made the playoffs in half a decade

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fix the cap situations


It certainly has not been fixed.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73921 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:55 pm to
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Dalton Schultz is making 12 million per year for example.


Well he’s a better TE

If you listed their top receiving yards by seasons

Schultz 808
Schultz 635
Schultz 615
Schultz 577
Johnson 548
Schuktz 532
Johnson 508

Receptions

Schultz 78
Schultz 63
Schultz 59
Schultz 57
Schultz 53
Johnson 50


Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33836 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:55 pm to
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I think it's the dead cap. Like Cam last year.

These are the extensions of mediocre/old players that become necessary with our cap strategy.

*ETA: this seems to indicate they plan on more big signings


No it's not

They gave him 21 mil more in guarantees. They could just ate the 7 mil or gave him another one yr deal.

This means they actually like the player.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
33465 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:55 pm to
Absolutely baffling decisions from the FO this year
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37786 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:56 pm to
fricking idiots
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:57 pm to
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do you ever shut the frick up about things that are proven you continually don't fricking understand at all. y

Proven?

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you think you always understand our cap limitations then continue to get your arse dragged up and done poydras.

No. We are still limited and we are very mid and far out of contention because of it.

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you are just continually pissed that the saints actually have plans

Plans for what? Continuing to miss the playoffs?

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and the ability to both remain competiti

Competitive for what? 2nd in the division?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:58 pm to
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This means they actually like the player.

That is not a better alternative
Posted by High Life
Member since Dec 2014
3665 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:59 pm to
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Well he’s a better TE


Don’t start pulling out the facts!!!
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127909 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 2:59 pm to
Moore must be really high on JJs potential to do something like this, and not believe in drafting TEs high. No other explanation

They believe his best football is ahead of him, and that Moore's system can maximize him.

We will see I guess, I hope that is the case, because on paper this is baffling
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13481 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:00 pm to
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Keep in mind he was going to count close to $7M against the cap in dead void charges this yr if we didn't extend him. So in terms of cap management this is favorable if you consider that as an offset
That is fine if he were good. He is below average at best. Take the dead money and move on. That does not go away, it just gets pushed down the road in the form of new bonus money and guaranteed salary.
Posted by braud2go
Member since Nov 2010
985 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:00 pm to
Contracts like this, continuing to kick money down the road for aging players, and that motherfricker Loomis still continues to smile and smack on that gum behind the podium.

Fire him and blow it up. Our playoff window is over (my 3rd offseason in a row saying that)
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
176016 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:01 pm to
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d for aging players,


someone please get me the list of players that are not aging.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13481 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:02 pm to
Makes him a top 10 TE in the league based on annual salary. That is about 10-15 spots too high.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33836 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:02 pm to
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think it's the dead cap. Like Cam last year.

These are the extensions of mediocre/old players that become necessary with our cap strategy.

*ETA: this seems to indicate they plan on more big signings


Not true. Not for this signing. They could've just ate the 7 mil or spread it out on a 1 yr deal.

I mean did you see some of the contracts for tight ends this yr. Guys you've never heard of have gotten 7 mil.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465858 posts
Posted on 3/11/25 at 3:03 pm to
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They believe his best football is ahead of him,

I was on board when this was the talking point...last time.

He simply has not performed, and he's a one-way TE who has never hit 600 yards (and only 500 2x)

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They believe his best football is ahead of him, and that Moore's system can maximize him.


Clearly there is hopium driving this madness
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