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Saints are sinking fast. Here's one coaching adjustment that should be considered.

Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:28 pm
Posted by hellsu
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:28 pm
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When a team sinks to 2-5 like the Saints did Thursday night, everything is on the table.
Changes need to be made somewhere, and they start from the top-down. No, this isn't an article calling for a head coaching change, but it is calling for changes by the head coach, as Jeff Nowak lays out on the postgame edition of the Inside Black & Gold podcast after a 42-34 Saints defeat at the hands of the Arizona Cardinals.
"I think that from a management perspective, from a production perspective, from a coaching perspective, you need to adjust, and I think DA should stop calling defensive plays," Nowak said. "I said this prior to the game and I feel even more strongly about it now. Whether [DA] is the best option to be the play-caller or not, I don't know that he is at his best as a head coach on game days when he is calling defensive plays"
Will such a change cure all the Saints' ills? Probably not, but you can start there and see how things fall into place. It would also allow Allen to focus solely on his duties as the head coach. Those include post-halftime interviews after his QB threw back-to-back pick-6s that changed the game. Asked what he said to Andy Dalton in the locker room, his response was "keep doing what you're doing." If nothing else, a head coach should be expected to anticipate how that statement might be received by a national TV audience.
But this is also a team that's blown any chance for a margin of error and its own sloppiness could be tagged as the biggest factor. If a turnaround is coming, it has to happen now. If it doesn't, the Saints will soon be staring down a lost season and get a twist of the knife from the Eagles who own New Orleans' first-round pick in the 2023 draft.

It also happens to be a contingency you've planned for. Ryan Nielsen called defensive plays in the preseason. He can be trusted to do so again.

Can all the defensive woes be placed at the feet of the head coach? Of course not. This was a group trying to win a game without its top three cornerbacks (Marshon Lattimore, Paulson Adebo and Bradley Roby, not to mention veteran PJ Williams on IR and CJ Gardner-Johnson now plays for the Eagles). It's been without 2021 first-round pick Payton Turner a majority of the year. Even when players have been in the right positions, the tackling hasn't happened. It's a group that has regressed at a speed you wouldn't have thought possible prior to the season. As a team the Saints are ranked 31st in the NFL in points allowed per game (28.6). A team that once went nearly three seasons without allowing a 100-yard rusher in a game is now averaging 123 rushing yards allowed per game (No. 22 in the NFL). Little is working and much needs to be fixed.

Allen told Nowak Friday afternoon that the team will be "looking at everything" in terms of how to get better results on the defensive side of the ball, and he expressed optimism that key players could be returning from injury after the extended break. But he doesn't anticipate changes in how play-calling or game-planning are handled.

"We're not getting the results that we want," Allen said. "And so we've got to look at what we're doing and and how we can do it better. And we've done it pretty good round here. We're just not doing it as good as we need to right now."

But fixing the defense shouldn't be all on him. His role is much bigger than that, and as Nowak points out, it's time for Allen to show he's an NFL head coach and not just one of its premier defensive minds. He needs to focus on doing that right now, above everything else.

"If you hand off the play-calling to Ryan Nielsen and focus on doing [the HC] job, then we can at least get an idea," Nowak said. "Because I don't think that what you're seeing right now is a very well-coached football team."



Might be an idea. Payton was able to call the offense through the eyes of a Q.B. Maye it could free up Allen for other details. Nielsen is pretty sharp.
Posted by Geauxldninja
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:39 pm to
I didn’t read most of this but, I agree with you. Unless I don’t.. which case you’re an idiot.
Posted by 3HourTour
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:43 pm to
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I didn’t read most of this but, I agree with you. Unless I don’t.. which case you’re an idiot.


The perfect Saints Talk response
Posted by hellsu
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 4:52 pm to
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I didn’t read most of this but, I agree with you. Unless I don’t.. which case you’re an idiot.


Thank you for your response. BTW. I didn't have to read but just the first six words of your response before I realized who the real Idiot is.
Posted by htran90
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Member since Dec 2012
30080 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:13 pm to
Sometimes not micromanaging helps a team.

As much shite as we've given Carmichael this year, he's turned the offense around rather quickly. Even with injuries and the red zone woes.

25
39
26
34

Idk most of the time that's enough to win.
Posted by Bayou
CenLA
Member since Feb 2005
36759 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:24 pm to
Carmichael is fine
Injuries and lack of QB has been the plague



The past 2 seasons should have any Saints fan seeing what Brees did as more astounding than even previously believed. He could make these reserve receivers shine brighter.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29860 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 7:43 pm to
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As much shite as we've given Carmichael this year, he's turned the offense around rather quickly.


no he didnt, winston being injured forced the idiot coaches to finally play the better QB on the roster

that, ands only that is the reason for the turn around and the second winston starts again we will be back to scoring less then 14 points a game and losing
Posted by hellsu
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Member since Jan 2009
3951 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 8:09 pm to
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Sometimes not micromanaging helps a team.


Free up Allen to focus on the bigger picture.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
11656 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 10:07 pm to
What is he going to do different if he’s not calling plays? These arguments make no sense. What time is he going to be saving and using on something else?
Posted by JayJay2
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Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:02 pm to
Has the better QB been playing?
Posted by MRDEATHVALLEY85
Lafayette
Member since May 2021
331 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:21 pm to
Yeah Winston is hot dog shite. Dalton has been playing with our best receivers out.
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
3951 posts
Posted on 10/21/22 at 11:31 pm to
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What is he going to do different if he’s not calling plays? These arguments make no sense. What time is he going to be saving and using on something else?


Well for one example. It might free him up to be a little more proactive with the offense. Maybe offer more input through his eyes to Carmichael. A lot of decisions and adjustments are made on the fly during the course of a game. You don't just make adjustments at halftime it is addressed during the game. Nobody is saying that they will but it is an option.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
10897 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 8:01 am to
I really hate seeing the Saints flounder so bad but I hope they wait till the off season to make any changes.

Anything that hides the incompetence of this team and staff will certainly prolong the misery.

Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:36 pm to
Whatever, im still hoping for superbowl.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
1920 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:39 am to
I agree that this is where Loomis and Allen messed up. I cannot think of a Defensive minded HC in modern day NFL that has been successful being the DC and HC. It takes more in game focus for a DC than an OC because the defense has to be very focused to anticipate and react to what is happening as its happening.

He can't be HC managing the rest of the game and team if he has to focus on the fine details of the defense during a game.

Also, where are the team leaders on this team? I am not seeing any players taking a leadership role to rally or call out their teammates. This team just looks lost from every angle and that is on the HC.
Posted by Zephyrius
Wharton, La.
Member since Dec 2004
7929 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 12:20 pm to
I said after the first game DA should not be calling plays and concentrate on being head coach; HC is too large of a position. Payton barely could pull it off.

Posted by WestBank2WestTN
CousinLove, TN
Member since Aug 2012
33 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:22 am to
I'd really like to see Red Rocket start the rest of the season with Hill coming in more consistently at QB as basically a drive closer. I don't think Hill should be the guy, but I do believe he should be getting more snaps at QB, especially in the Redzone. His accuracy inside of 30 yards is underrated and the threat of him running would only open things up for everyone else. They are both Professional enough to handle a snap share as well I believe. Just an opinion from Mr. Nobody.
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