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re: Saints are embracing a "soft reset"
Posted on 4/28/24 at 4:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
Posted on 4/28/24 at 4:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
All of this only works if we win fewer than 6 games this season. If we scratch out 8 or 9 again we’re stuck in no man’s land in the draft. We need star players to fuel a renaissance.
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Posted on 4/28/24 at 4:27 pm to Delusional
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Either be rebuilding or competing for a title. This in-between, 9-8 record borderline playoff team is shite.
Let's be clear. "Rebuilding" really means finding that star QB, right? You need one of those to compete for championships. And you're thinking getting pick #1 is the way to do that. History says different. Mahomes and Allen were both trade-ups by decent teams. And because those rosters hadn't bottomed out, they stepped into situations where they could win. Bryce, Trevor, Kyler, Baker, Goff, and Jameis all went to crappy teams at #1 and those teams are still crappy. Only Joe Burrow really rescued a shite team on his own. That's ALL the top QB picks the last decade. Look at the young successful QBs drafted in recent years - Lamar, Purdy, Dak, Hurts, Love. All stepped into quality rosters that were ready to go. The way to actually win when you get a great QB is to maintain a decent team for him. That means you're gonna win 7-10 games, unfortunately. If you know a realistic way to bottom out for just one season while also maintaining a quality roster for your top pick QB, please share.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 4:55 pm to Handsome Pete
I believe you are correct here. I have been thinking about this and there was a thread about Taysom Hill yesterday, and it made me realize we didn't restructure him. I don't know if there is a stronger sign of this reset.
Not trading future picks yesterday was a big thing, too.
Now, I don't know how organic this is, but I think the Ram/Latt issues forced their hands. The shitty part was we had to restructure Carr, but we may have dug ourselves out somewhat by 2027.
Not trading future picks yesterday was a big thing, too.
Now, I don't know how organic this is, but I think the Ram/Latt issues forced their hands. The shitty part was we had to restructure Carr, but we may have dug ourselves out somewhat by 2027.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 5:03 pm to bourbon78
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All of this only works if we win fewer than 6 games this season. If we scratch out 8 or 9 again we’re stuck in no man’s land in the draft.
This isn't the NBA.
While I'd rather be at the top of the draft, 10-14 is fine. Lots of elite talent gets picked after that every year (unlike the NBA)
Posted on 4/28/24 at 5:19 pm to Handsome Pete
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Let's be clear. "Rebuilding" really means finding that star QB, right? You need one of those to compete for championships. And you're thinking getting pick #1 is the way to do that. History says different. Mahomes and Allen were both trade-ups by decent teams. And because those rosters hadn't bottomed out, they stepped into situations where they could win. Bryce, Trevor, Kyler, Baker, Goff, and Jameis all went to crappy teams at #1 and those teams are still crappy. Only Joe Burrow really rescued a shite team on his own. That's ALL the top QB picks the last decade. Look at the young successful QBs drafted in recent years - Lamar, Purdy, Dak, Hurts, Love. All stepped into quality rosters that were ready to go. The way to actually win when you get a great QB is to maintain a decent team for him. That means you're gonna win 7-10 games, unfortunately. If you know a realistic way to bottom out for just one season while also maintaining a quality roster for your top pick QB, please share..
Your words, not mine.
Maintain cap flexibility, don't be delusional about competing with Carr & Dennis Allen. Accumulate talent like the Alex Smith Chiefs did prior to Mahomes.
Posted on 4/28/24 at 9:37 pm to Delusional
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Maintain cap flexibility, don't be delusional about competing with Carr & Dennis Allen. Accumulate talent like the Alex Smith Chiefs did prior to Mahomes.
Soft reset. Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:46 am to Handsome Pete
Sounds good to me.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:39 am to Handsome Pete
Winning teams are built through the draft, not FA. FA is how you get into cap trouble. Teams that succeed have a solid base, but fill around them with younger players who are on their cheap rookie deals.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:10 am to Locoguan0
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Winning teams are built through the draft, not FA. FA is how you get into cap trouble. Teams that succeed have a solid base, but fill around them with younger players who are on their cheap rookie deals.
I think that is what we are doing now. We didn't sign any expensive FA this year, didn't even make significant new commitments to our aging vets. Outside of Carr, we've been unusually conservative in the FA market over the last few years. I see faint signs of common sense from the Saints FO.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:12 am to DiamondDog
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They prepping to fire Allen.
How are you going to fire the Saints' Belichick?
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:52 am to CBandits82
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The problem with that is that the team needs a “hard” reset yesterday.
This is true; however, the cap situation keeps them from being able to do a hard reset. They can't dump bad contracts because it would force the hit in a single year. At a minimum, we are probably looking at a 3-year window of allowing aging vets retire, letting some potential starters walk because the market prices us out, and strategically moving on from some of the other bad contracts.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:17 am to Weekend Warrior79
"Run it back" mentality predictably delayed this and screwed the Saints.
The Falcons did it right by trading Matt Ryan, letting go of vets and getting a ton of cap space after a couple years of suckage with bad QBs. Now they're going to try to compete with a retooled defense and a good QB. Of course it's the Falcons so they'll probably screw it up.
The Falcons did it right by trading Matt Ryan, letting go of vets and getting a ton of cap space after a couple years of suckage with bad QBs. Now they're going to try to compete with a retooled defense and a good QB. Of course it's the Falcons so they'll probably screw it up.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:19 am to Delusional
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Now they're going to try to compete with a retooled defense and a good QB.
And no defense.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:25 am to dcw7g
But that's ok because they have Mooris as the HC and it will work out this time since he's so well liked around the league
Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:30 am to Weekend Warrior79
The Texans are the outlier, but hard reset looks like what Washington or Carolina did. They are both probably 3-5 years and another coach away from competing.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:07 pm to DiamondDog
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They prepping to fire Allen.
Would by far be the most positive move they can make.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 4:33 am to Handsome Pete
DA isn’t going anywhere. Why do you think Klint and all of those coaches, some with multiple super bowls, came here? Their relationships with each other and Allen specifically
Posted on 4/30/24 at 8:15 am to dcw7g
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And no defense.
Our defense wasn’t much better last year.
Posted on 4/30/24 at 9:12 pm to dcw7g
Saints Defense will be average at best…but offense needs more firepower.
Saints can go 8 and 9……. fans will bitch but still support the team. They MIGHT keep Allen cause the Saints Front Office doesn’t want a change of staff …that brings chaos vs the status quo which is comfortable to Loomis.
If Saints only win 5 or 6 games…. Loomis hand will be forced and staff turnover will occur.
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:35 am to Handsome Pete
Best case for this season is Derek Carr comes out playing really well and we can trade him off. Signing him to a 4 year deal was a disaster, IMO.
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