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re: Reuben Foster dismissed from Combine

Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:51 am to
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:51 am to
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you draft Foster with the Same idea of playing him at MLB but giving him reads and responsibility on plays--It will not work. If you take Foster and plan to more him out to WLB---It will not work.


Where does this myth come from that Foster is dumb on a football field? If he couldn't read his keys and diagnose a play and do his job within he defense then he would've never seen the field. There were 3 consensus five stars behind him on the depth chart and I'm being very literal when I say that.
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:52 am to
It's never just a single incident. Repeated issues signal future problems for most. Some correct themselves. Others don't. But history says repeat idiots continue to be idiots.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:53 am to
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I wouldn't want us to draft him at any spot, not even as undrafted signee.

he is a primadonna over indulged head case already, if he has ANY success at all as a pro he will turn a locker room inside out with the infighting and out of control ego he has.

unless he somehow gets struck by lightning and has a come to Jesus awakening and turns humble and contright overnight, he is nothing but a team destroyer for whoever picks him




Holy shite
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:54 am to
i'm not a foster hater or expert, but what people have been posting is that he took a few years to learn the bama scheme and they're projecting that to the NFL. i'm much more worried about potential injury issues more than that


for me it's (1) injuries/long-term health, (2) attitude, (3) aptitude
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:54 am to
Are we talking about Foster or the other 3 I mentioned? Because the other 3 had documented repeated issues. Has Foster?
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:56 am to
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i'm not a foster hater or expert, but what people have been posting is that he took a few years to learn the bama scheme


Insert [player name] took a few years to learn the [team name] scheme

That's half the draft man.

For what it's worth he started in the opener as a true sophomore based on merit and not injuries to others. The coaches were comfortable enough with his understanding of the scheme to throw him out there against West Virginia. His head was swimming in that game and he lost his starting spot, but continued to play throughout the season. If we're questioning kids because they aren't full time starters until their junior year then he draft pool is severely diminished
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:00 am
Posted by Lilpickles
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:56 am to
Also he is a cheap shot artist..... All that ability and needs to take short cuts.... Ability is not smarts.



Hey you can hold his pecker for any other team....for the saints we don't not need his kind. He would be perfect for the Seahawks or raiders.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 7:58 am to
if he has a clear medical, i wouldn't be upset if we took him at 11

i thought he was absolutely dominant in the playoffs this year when he was out there
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 7:59 am
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:01 am to
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for the saints we don't not need his kind


Oh I beg to differ. That charmin soft defense needs about 5 of his kind
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:01 am
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:02 am to
the medical is a big question mark with the shoulder. Rotator cuff surgery isn't always some run of the mill operation.
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:03 am to
Probably a lot of people didn't want Nick Fairley coming out of college for the very same reasons.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:05 am to
like i posted earlier in this thread, i don't hate on Bama prospects but my big worry about many of them is how they're run into the ground by Saban. Foster and Allen both have major red flags this year. i REALLY am more worried about allen than foster, both for injury and NFL projection issues. i don't think allen is really a saints target, but i think he may be a collegiate man-child that has issues in the NFL
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:09 am to
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don't hate on Bama prospects but my big worry about many of them is how they're run into the ground by Saban


Could you expound on what you mean by "run into the ground"

We'll agree to disagree on Allen. His demeanor separates him from the average prospect, but no sense in arguing opinions
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:14 am to
a combo of grueling practices, maxing them out by 21-22, and pushing them to play through injuries possibly past the point where they should. and i'm not criticizing Saban b/c he's paid to develop the best CFB players and win college football games and not develop the best NFL guys

so he's the master at figuring out how to create a team of the most physically-advanced players, but that leaves less room for NFL development and hurts their projections. add in some guys who may have played too much through injuries and it hurts that NFL developmental arc even more (for those specific players. it's not ALL of them). also it doesn't have to just be pushing them through injury. henry was fricking run and run HARD in 2015 at the end of the year
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:15 am to
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We'll agree to disagree on Allen. His demeanor separates him from the average prospect,

i just think he was more physical than his college counterparts and is kind of a tweener in the NFL. he's for sure not an edge rusher and likely has to play DT in a 1-gap scheme or DE in a 3-4 scheme where he's not occupying blockers (like what the texans run)
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:22 am to
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a combo of grueling practices, maxing them out by 21-22,


they're kids in the best shape of their lives with access to the best nutrition and care imaginable, practicing 20 hours a week, come on with this slow.

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pushing them to play through injuries possibly past the point where they should

valid argument you could make about a lot of coaches, saban included

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but that leaves less room for NFL development and hurts their projections. add in some guys who may have played too much through injuries and it hurts that NFL developmental arc even more (for those specific players. it's not ALL of them).


Curious to hear some examples. There are some really good NFL players that were banged up at bama. Hightower's knee, Julio/Cooper both had foot issues, Mosley hurt his hip and his elbow, Dareus hurt his elbow, Barron tore his pec. Even Ingram missed games a Alabama

All of those guys have developed into really good if not great NFL players, so which ones are you referring to and with the knowledge of how good that group is, why should there be some extra concern?

This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:26 am
Posted by ChaChingBoyd
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:34 am to
Pretty much a certainty that he will be a Cincinnati Bengal!
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:46 am to
Foster has scheduled a meeting at Alabama and invited reps from all NFL teams to sit down and speak about the incident

Also this from NBC-

"ESPN made a big splash on Friday night with the report that Alabama linebacker Reuben Foster was sent home from the Scouting Combine after having a “heated altercation” with a hospital worker. After further review, it’s looking and sounding a lot less sinister.


Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that a “miscommunication” resulted in the argument escalating, after Foster had been waiting “for an extended period” to be examined. Foster became impatient, and he began to question the worker. The worker reacted in a negative way, and it resulted in Foster and the hospital worker going face to face in a heated exchange.

Per Schefter, league officials are reviewing the procedures that triggered the incident, which occurred with other players present. (Which could partially explain Foster’s decision to adopt the tough-guy approach.) The league also is looking into whether improvements can be made when it comes to letting the players know why they’re waiting and for how long.

It also makes sense to explore whether the hospital worker was a little too aggressive, abrupt, and/or sanctimonious.

A league spokesman tells PFT that Foster left for “personal reasons.” However, PFT has confirmed that, indeed, an altercation occurred while Foster was waiting — and that nothing like that had ever happened before even though plenty of other players have waited plenty of times.

Coincidentally, NFLPA president Eric Winston touched on that very issue at the outset of his recent visit to PFT Live at the Scouting Combine.

“It’s a tough week,” Winston said, reflecting on his experiences from 2006. “I remember flying in and getting right to it. Meetings and the examination process. They get you up early to drug test you, then they put you through the medical paces and pull on you, prod you. I think they almost in a weird way, at least back then, I feel like they tried to piss you off a little bit. They tried to get you uncomfortable and then talk to you and see how you are. It’s probably too rigorous of a job interview.”

None of that excuses acting inappropriately, but would it surprise anyone if, in an era of scripted talking points for face-to-face interviews with teams, the process has been engineered to apply stress under circumstances where the players don’t think anyone is paying attention?

The lesson for every other player who will attend every future Scouting Combine is clear: You need to be “on” for the full time there, and you need to assume that everything you do is being watched closely and carefully."
This post was edited on 3/6/17 at 8:49 am
Posted by keakar
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:27 am to
its CYA time now as he sees his draft stock sinking fast and is in desperate excuse making mode lol, blaming it on the medical attendant now lol, what a basket case this guy will be for the team who takes him.

I give him 2 years after the draft to be in major melt down mode and a team is trying to unload him

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:30 am to
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blaming it on the medical attendant now


the medical attendant's behavior was always a part of the story and part of the buildup.
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