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Pierre's hit video and rules
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:38 am
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:38 am
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First of all the play happens so fast I believe Pierre is defenseless, no way he could have avoided that.
1. Do you think Pierre is defenseless?
2. Even if he is not defenseless is there anyway to show by this rule there is ever a circumstance where it is legal to hit someone with the crown of your helmet anywhere, but especially the head?
IMO this is the biggest play of the game, if Saints go up 7-0 i think the whole tone of the game is different.
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(f) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures, including but not limited to:
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First of all the play happens so fast I believe Pierre is defenseless, no way he could have avoided that.
1. Do you think Pierre is defenseless?
2. Even if he is not defenseless is there anyway to show by this rule there is ever a circumstance where it is legal to hit someone with the crown of your helmet anywhere, but especially the head?
IMO this is the biggest play of the game, if Saints go up 7-0 i think the whole tone of the game is different.
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 8:01 am
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:44 am to LsuSaintsMan
Let it go.
It was a vicious, lethal, head cracking knock you arse out cold legal hit.
It was a vicious, lethal, head cracking knock you arse out cold legal hit.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:50 am to JazzyJeff
quote:congrats on not answering a single question
Posted by JazzyJeff
Let it go.
It was a vicious, lethal, head cracking knock you arse out cold legal hit.
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Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:53 am to LsuSaintsMan
he's just going through the seven stages.
give him time
give him time
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:55 am to LsuSaintsMan
That type of hit happens every game. It was a good no call. What makes you think you were going to get 7 points?
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:56 am to dexy82
quote:is anybody going to attempt to answer my questions?
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Posted by dexy82
he's just going through the seven stages.
give him time
Posted on 1/15/12 at 7:58 am to HeadyMurphey
quote:I dunno maybe because we were at the goal line and our offense kicked arse minus turnovers.
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Posted by HeadyMurphey
That type of hit happens every game. It was a good no call. What makes you think you were going to get 7 points?
And congrats on being the 3rd poster to not answer any of my questions
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:04 am to LsuSaintsMan
It was good hit, a great hit for that matter.
I don't think he was defenseless
If that was our guy laying that hit, we'd all be crowing from the rooftop
I don't think he was defenseless
If that was our guy laying that hit, we'd all be crowing from the rooftop
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:16 am to dexy82
quote:thanks for the legit answer
It was good hit, a great hit for that matter.
I don't think he was defenseless
If that was our guy laying that hit, we'd all be crowing from the rooftop
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:18 am to LsuSaintsMan
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I dunno maybe because we were at the goal line and our offense kicked arse minus turnovers.
Personal foul. First and goal from like the 3.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:41 am to lsutigers1992
Well I don't get it. With all the hoopla about concussions in the NFL..........it was definitely a helmet to helmet.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:43 am to LsuSaintsMan
Serious Question:
In a situation where a player of Thomas' size (height) turns upfield and dips his shoulder, is a taller defender supposed to just allow him to run over him, or should he have the opportunity to make a form tackle?
In the replay, you can clearly see both guys lowering their heads/shoulders...
That's football.
Don't see any threads about Harper hitting Alex Smith in the head on the Saints forced fumble.
In a situation where a player of Thomas' size (height) turns upfield and dips his shoulder, is a taller defender supposed to just allow him to run over him, or should he have the opportunity to make a form tackle?
In the replay, you can clearly see both guys lowering their heads/shoulders...
That's football.
Don't see any threads about Harper hitting Alex Smith in the head on the Saints forced fumble.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:47 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Don't see any threads about Harper hitting Alex Smith in the head on the Saints forced fumble.
That was an illegal hit. The hit on Thomas wasn't.
People need to accept it and move the frick on.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:48 am to LsuSaintsMan
It wasn't an illegal hit...PT WAS NOT DEFENSELESS He was moving forward and lowered his own shoulders
continuing to bitch about it makes us sound like enormous fricking pussies
continuing to bitch about it makes us sound like enormous fricking pussies
Posted on 1/15/12 at 8:55 am to St Augustine
I know I'm not dreaming. there are lesser hits called for helmet to helmet every week in the NFL.
Bitching only about the inconstancy at which it is called. As far as the game goes.....that hit does not excuse the other 4 turnovers.
Bitching only about the inconstancy at which it is called. As far as the game goes.....that hit does not excuse the other 4 turnovers.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:03 am to LsuSaintsMan
Based on that rule, the hit on P Thomas was without question an illegal hit.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:05 am to LSUfan4444
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That was an illegal hit. The hit on Thomas wasn't.
And as a HUGE 49er fan, I had no problems with this hit as well. Great play by the D.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:27 am to St Augustine
quote:how is asking for an explanation bitching about it?
Posted by tigerinstaugustine
It wasn't an illegal hit...PT WAS NOT DEFENSELESS He was moving forward and lowered his own shoulders
continuing to bitch about it makes us sound like enormous fricking pussies
Also if you are happy with the level of consistency that this call is made then you must like umpires that change the strike zone everytime a batter comes to the plate
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:32 am to LsuSaintsMan
By the rule it's illegal, but I'm glad it wasn't called after watching it a few times. Pierre lowered his head and shoulders and left the defender nowhere to go. Just a tough football play IMO. It's not as if Pierre was defenseless and the defender launched into him.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 9:33 am to LsuSaintsMan
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1. Do you think Pierre is defenseless?
no. he had already completed the catch, was moving upfield, and lowered his own shoulder
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is there anyway to show by this rule there is ever a circumstance where it is legal to hit someone with the crown of your helmet anywhere, but especially the head?
whitner didn't lead with the crown of his helmet
he lowered his body and even turned his head. the side of his helmet hit the side of pierre's helmet. whitner didn't launch himself, he lowered himself.
pierre engaged with his helmet on that play, too. that's why once you become a runner, the H2H rules are essentially gone (Except for leading with the crown and spearing/launching)
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