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Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:35 am to chRxis
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I want to know what YOUR reasoning is for wanting Shough...
Because Kellen Moore has worked with top 12 QBs everywhere he's been a coach and has made it work with a variety of different types of quarterbacks while adjusting his offensive system to cater to them and their strengths. If he thinks he can build an offense around Shough, I'll trust that judgement until proven otherwise. And it likely wasn't just him that signed off on it. Doug Nuss and Scott Tolzien did too.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:36 am to chRxis
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going DT when we just added a guy via trade
Godchaux is a nose. Broughton is not. So they're two different positions...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:40 am to chRxis
At pick 40 I would've taken ezeirukau.
Sharon revel is another guy they could've taken in the 3rd round.
Once they took shough #40 in the 2nd round it kinda messed up the draft. Then they took broughton a little early.
Dallas had a good draft. They got ezeirukau and revel in rounds 2 and 3. One thing dallas is good at is drafting.
Sharon revel is another guy they could've taken in the 3rd round.
Once they took shough #40 in the 2nd round it kinda messed up the draft. Then they took broughton a little early.
Dallas had a good draft. They got ezeirukau and revel in rounds 2 and 3. One thing dallas is good at is drafting.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:51 am to WicKed WayZ
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Kellen Moore has worked with top 12 QBs everywhere he's been a coach
how many did Moore, himself, make better? he's had Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, and Jalen Hurts.... all those guys were very good QBs already when Moore got to work with them... if you look at their stats before and during Moore, they don't increase at all once Moore gets them under his tutelage...
he's never "made" a QB, if anything these QBs have made him... shite, the year he left the Cowboys, Dak actually led the NFL in TD passes and completions, proving that it wasn't specifically b/c of Moore that Dak was having success
look, maybe he is a QB whisperer, I don't know... I just know that he's had plenty of talent to work with already and when you look at their stats, they look basically the same before, during and after Moore worked with them, so i'm not sure where this whole trust for his ability to work with QBs comes from...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:52 am to Mushroom1968
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Or when people throw PFF at everything like it’s gospel.
Fair enough. I agreed PFF is not the end all be all. But the only thing that could be considered biased on pff is their basic player rankings. Which every site has their own rankings.
Their player grades, advance analytics, and draft projections are all consistent and unbiased. Also like looking at nfl.com draft profiles and nfl prospect grades.
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all 32 NFL teams utilize data and tools provided by PFF (Pro Football Focus). PFF offers detailed analysis, player grades, and other insights that are used by NFL front offices for scouting, game preparation, and player evaluation
If I want to evaluate a player I’ll look at their basic production and film first. And then dive into the weeds after that. I think if I take in all this information, marry it with 30+ years of me being obsessed with football, I can formulate an opinion that is suitable enough for the fricking Saints talk.
Or I could just be another goatmilker and say “Mickey is smarter than me so therefore everything he does is right”
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:54 am to WicKed WayZ
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Godchaux is a nose.
okay, cool... he's still behind Bresee, Saunders, Sheppard, and Ridgeway... at best, Broughton will be stashed on the PS, which is exactly what we needed at 71... nevermind we have one of the worst CB and WR rooms in then entire league, that 6th DT was very important to address there
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:56 am to High Life
It's at least a B draft if not for Shough pick which drops it a grade to C.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:59 am to High Life
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marry it with 30+ years of me being obsessed with football,
About 45 years for me but who’s counting
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can formulate an opinion that is suitable enough for the fricking Saints talk
My reply was directed at your comment saying what’s the point of a message board. I see PFF thrown in people’s faces all the time like it devalues their opinions. I don’t have anything against it fwiw.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:03 am to chRxis
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Saunders, Sheppard, and Ridgeway
I feel some of those are going to be backup to Godchaux. Broughton more than likely backs up Bresee. KM just came off an eagles team that had a never ending supply of D-line talent and depth.
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:11 am to High Life
C+ is a laughable grade
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:13 am to Mushroom1968
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About 45 years for me but who’s counting
I think every pro team office needs to hire a baw who’s job it is to make sure common sense isn’t thrown out the window. Just like the son of the giants GM who told him to get Jayden Daniels
“Draft Jayden Daniels, you only get this job once. You might as well try and win”
LINK
“No guys we aren’t trading Luka fricking Doncic to the lakers”
“No we don’t want Derek Carr he’s fricking garbage”
A little common sense can go a long way
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 11:15 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:16 am to Mushroom1968
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KM just came off an eagles team that had a never ending supply of D-line talent and depth.
specifically at DT, which is what we are talking about, the 2024 Eagles had Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, Thomas Booker, and Moro Ojomo... that's it...
Carter and Davis are absolute studs, so they played a lion's share of the snaps, but it's not like they had 7 guys at DT... they had 3 guys that played at a very, very high level...
we have Bresee, Godchaux, Saunders, Sheppard, Ridgeway, and Boyd... and still reached for another DT.... it just makes no sense to me when you look at our DB room, our WR room, our TE room, etc...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:19 am to chRxis
Maybe just saying he knows what a good QB looks like and what a bad one does too (Sanders).
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:21 am to chRxis
You're missing the fact that they were running a 3-4 and had guys labeled appropriate to that as far as position, only having 1 DT spot on the field.
We are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so some of our DTs from last year will be DEs this year, and some of our DEs will be OLBs.
We are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so some of our DTs from last year will be DEs this year, and some of our DEs will be OLBs.
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 11:23 am
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:28 am to bonethug0180
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You're missing the fact that they were running a 3-4 and had guys labeled appropriate to that as far as position, only having 1 DT spot on the field.
We are switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so some of our DTs from last year will be DEs this year, and some of our DEs will be OLBs.
i'm quite aware of all of this... and it makes it even worse that we didn't go with an edge rusher until the 7th round...
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:31 am to WicKed WayZ
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This kind of thinking is so archaic.
What? The Saints haven't had a good draft since 2017. They haven't made the playoffs since 2020. Reaching for underwhelming talent is a big part of that
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:35 am to Tigershine
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Maybe just saying he knows what a good QB looks like and what a bad one does too (Sanders).
you do realize that we didn't HAVE TO take a QB, right? it's not like it was a binary choice between Shough and Sanders...
we all know they wanted Dart, and were targeting him at 40, which would have been fine... Dart gives you much better upside, and is more in line with amount of talent coming out next year, so taking him at 40 and giving him time to develop, that's all fine and understandable... but taking a guy that HAS TO get with it very quickly b/c of his age, who's talent level is nowhere close to some of the guys next year that we will likely have a chance to draft, you can see why it's a highly questionable pick
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:38 am to chRxis
Dart was irrelevant at that point. If this guy doesn’t work out, it’s not a lasting disaster…
Posted on 4/27/25 at 11:41 am to VOR
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Dart was irrelevant at that point.
once he was gone, right, the entire QB position should have been irrelevant, as there was no one, including Sanders, that gives you anything that much better than what you already have in Rattler....
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If this guy doesn’t work out, it’s not a lasting disaster…
it's a huge disaster, in the overall talent level of the roster... at pick 40 you are expecting to get a guy that is an immediate contributor/starter, a guy that will be a difference maker for years to come... him not working out, not only takes away from the QB position, but by taking him instead of someone else, means we are less talented at another position too...
as devoid of talent as this roster is, we don't have the luxury of just burning top 50 picks in ANY draft
This post was edited on 4/27/25 at 11:43 am
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