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NFL Network host praises Saints' all-in offseason approach, GM Mickey Loomis

Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:29 pm
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4162 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:29 pm
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Here’s some rare praise for the New Orleans Saints and general manager Mickey Loomis. NFL Network morning show host Peter Schrager gave the Saints a pat on the back during a Wednesday debate on which team has a brighter future ahead of them in 2023: New Orleans or the Las Vegas Raiders. The way Schrager sees it, Derek Carr was lucky to get away from his old team.

“I find the Saints really interesting also, because this could have been a good time for them to rip the band-aid off, turn the page, and say ‘Let’s go into a rebuild,'” Schrager began, “They didn’t do that. They doubled down. They went and gave Derek Carr, a veteran, a huge contract.”
Schrager recapped the many creative contract restructures and reworkings that got the Saints under the salary cap, including maneuvers with experienced starters like Cameron Jordan, Demario Davis, Tyrann Mathieu, Alvin Kamara, and Marshon Lattimore. And even, he quipped, Taysom Hill. The Saints were able to get under the cap by a margin of tens of millions of dollars while signing Carr and without cutting a single player.
He continued: “It almost feels like what the Jets are doing in a way, where we’ve got this core and we’re just a quarterback away. And that’s what the Saints view it as. I look at Mickey Loomis, who is the general manager of the New Orleans Saints, who was been there and was part of the group who hired Sean Payton way back when, back in 2004. He’s still the GM and he’s still making moves.”

Schrager misfired on that date — Loomis hired Payton in 2006 — but he is the NFL’s longest-tenured general manager, having being hired in 2002, after longtime Pittsburgh Steelers GM Kevin Colbert stepped down last year. And he was complimentary of the work Loomis and his front office have done to keep this team competitive without wasting fans’ time with a tedious rebuild.

Too many NFL analysts want to see football teams doing what baseball and basketball fans hate to see: trading away fan-favorite players to cut costs and save money on payroll while actively losing games to get in position for cheap rookies. It’s a miserable process for everyone involved, and we’re fortunate that the Saints are more interested in winning games and putting together an entertaining product than going into the tank. Hopefully these efforts pay off in the fall.

I like that last paragraph.
Also an interesting Schraeger video in the link on
"Which team has a better shot at sucess in 2023 Saints or Raiders.
This post was edited on 4/5/23 at 8:49 pm
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
77168 posts
Posted on 4/5/23 at 6:49 pm to
Its the path they chose and as a fan what can you do but hope for the best.

He makes a good point. That baseball and the NBA often do the "tank" without much hesitation but it seems much less a path for the owners of the nfl.
Posted by PenguinPubes
Frozen Tundra
Member since Jan 2018
11873 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 6:20 am to
I’m really starting to believe this whole “cap number” shite is made up and fake
Posted by Thracken13
Aft Cargo Hold of Serenity
Member since Feb 2010
19020 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:22 am to
oh you have done it now......the cap signal is on, and the usual suspects will be a long shortly.

FWIW i agree with you. it is an artificial number designed to try and promote parity amongst all teams.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:59 am to
You mean teams involved in tankathon strategies arent successful???

Go figure.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14576 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 8:59 am to
quote:

NBA often do the "tank" without much hesitation


#1 draft pick and a couple decent role players can take you from the lottery to a playoff team, then attract a big FA and you are a contender. Football is different. Even a franchise QB doesn't ensure you are a contender (see: Brees's 7-9 years).
Posted by Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
5444 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 10:33 am to
Sports fans should all hope their teams, staff, players etc want to win as much as the fans want to win…. And lucky for us the Saints have been fighting to do their best to make a run at the Super Bowl every year
Posted by Front9back9
Member since Jun 2020
302 posts
Posted on 4/6/23 at 11:10 pm to
Loomis is an accountant. He’s not a football guy and doesn’t make football personnel decisions. The Saints front office thought about themselves only. They decided to be mediocre a few more years until we get rid of Carr and be mediocre a few more years after that. Job security. Keep going along and don’t rock the boat. Gayle Benson and the fans will think we are just ever so close to being good
Posted by big d 18
Member since Dec 2021
1424 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 6:12 am to
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4162 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

The Saints front office thought about themselves only. They decided to be mediocre a few more years until we get rid of Carr and be mediocre a few more years after that. Job security. Keep going along and don’t rock the boat. Gayle Benson and the fans will think we are just ever so close to being good


So that is the answer to job security, keep being mediocre and then stay mediocre for a few more years.
Absolutely brilliant.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22271 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 12:55 pm to
In the NFL, that very well could be. With it looking like the NFC will be lacking some serious QB talent for a few years; making a few key moves could easily have a mediocre team fighting for the playoffs. Making the playoffs, even to get curb stomped, is usually enough for a HC to keep his job. If the HC is keeping their job, the front office is rarely in danger.

As fans, many of us would much rather see them rip the band-aid off and suck for a few years, fix the roster and depth, address the QB position with a rookie contract, then become a legit team. But the coaching staff and front office can't afford that because after so many shitty seasons they will be gone, and a new job/position isn't guaranteed. You also don't know if you will stumble into a top QB, or if you will be stuck drafting at the top of the board for the next several years just waiting for the next "guy" to enter the draft while hitting the highly touted busts you see all the time going top 5.
Posted by Starchild
Member since May 2010
13550 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 2:04 pm to
I hear what you’re saying and it’s all well and good BUT

quote:

lucky for us the Saints have been fighting to do their best to make a run at the Super Bowl every year


Hiring one of the worst HCs in league history after your HoF coach retires doesn’t really strike me as “doing their best”
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4162 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

With it looking like the NFC will be lacking some serious QB talent for a few years; making a few key moves could easily have a mediocre team fighting for the playoffs

Which is exactly why they took Carr and have made several moves in the d-line wr's rb's and at QB. Let's face it there is not a lot of QB talent in this years and probably next years draft. So they will utilize the draft to rebuild these other positions. Look's like a lot of rebuilding going on without resorting to tanking and destroying what talent we do have. Don't overestimate the patience of a fanbase that doesn't quickly exit a huge rebuild. I don't agree with every move the team has made but I can understand the direction that they have taken.
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
5678 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

but he is the NFL’s longest-tenured general manager,


Pretty interesting.

Also of note, since Loomis has been GM we've had only 1 season under 7 wins, which was the Katrina season.

That's pretty long term sustainability.
Posted by HangmanPage1
Wild West
Member since Aug 2021
2282 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 5:21 pm to
The NFL is a QB driven league. Honestly the best strategy is to continually build the roster until you find the right QB. No one should tank in football, cause that means your entire roster is depleted.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:34 pm to
quote:

the usual suspects will be a long shortly.


They're hiding.

They said enough to feel stupid by now. Then again Karen's gotta Karen so who knows.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
598 posts
Posted on 4/7/23 at 7:36 pm to
quote:

As fans, many of us would much rather see them rip the band-aid off and suck for a few years, fix the roster and depth, address the QB position with a rookie contract, then become a legit team.


What a fairy tale.

There's a reason teams dont tank in the NFL. Shut up.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8187 posts
Posted on 4/11/23 at 6:14 am to
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much less a path for the owners of the nfl


Turning the ship around in the NFL is a lot harder than in the NBA. Mediocrity seems to set in and stay.
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