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re: New mock draft from CBS Sports
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:32 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 1/17/17 at 12:32 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Well he had two illegal tackles in the national championship game alone, so there's certainly room for improvement.
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Posted on 1/17/17 at 1:12 am to Frank Black
Trade back a spot or two and get Tim Williams. Did anyone see what Danelle(sp) Hunter did this season for the Vikings. Aren't they both kind of similar.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 2:40 am to ellishughtiger
I do like the idea of trading the 1st round pick if we get a good middle round second and 3rd round picks for it, maybe even a later round pick added in too if a team is desperate.
I think two #2;s and two #3's could be a serious way of adding 4 new "projected" starting new linemen to our roster but then it all depends on whats there with that first pick and how sure can you be he will be an immediate starting impact player. I think that pick has to be and immediate impact player and more then just a solid starter because we need impact players, not just starters,
I think two #2;s and two #3's could be a serious way of adding 4 new "projected" starting new linemen to our roster but then it all depends on whats there with that first pick and how sure can you be he will be an immediate starting impact player. I think that pick has to be and immediate impact player and more then just a solid starter because we need impact players, not just starters,
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 2:43 am
Posted on 1/17/17 at 3:38 am to Frank Black
Would be a good pick.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 7:46 am to MontanaTiger
quote:This is why I'm often embarrassed to call myself an LSU fan.
Great - another Bama player for the Saints. Why do the Saints love these Bama kids so much ands seem to hate LSU kids. It's not like LSU players are not getting drafted - there are more of them in the NFL than Bama players. I've pretty much quit following the Saints because of this.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:11 am to ellishughtiger
Hunter was extremely young Tim Williams is almost retired
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:53 am to Chad504boy
Hope Tim Williams destroys the combine. Pushes another player back to us
Posted on 1/17/17 at 8:59 am to Frank Black
It would be an immediate upgrade at a spot on the defense that probably needs the most "upgrading." Would love to get a pass-rusher opposite Jordan, but I just don't think one will be there at 11 (I think Williams his a HUGE risk). The DL has some talent. The secondary (if they could stay healthy) has some talent. The LB corps however is basically Robertson (who was a big surprise) and Ellerbe (who can't stay healthy). If the Saints can't get a pass rusher, Foster wouldn't be a bad pick.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:17 am to Frank Black
The Jaguars taking Cooks over Fournette would be one of the most "Jaguar" things ever. And I'm not sold on Fournette only because I think he has a lot of wear and tear on his body from Miles using him poorly, and he's starting to get a tad injury prone with the nagging injuries.
The Panthers need a lot more than a RB, and I can see them passing on Fournette to draft O-line help or defense, considering both units were down this year. And as far as their run game, I see Cam Newton still being one of the top options, so I say Fournette gets passed over...if the Jets don't take him.
The Panthers need a lot more than a RB, and I can see them passing on Fournette to draft O-line help or defense, considering both units were down this year. And as far as their run game, I see Cam Newton still being one of the top options, so I say Fournette gets passed over...if the Jets don't take him.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:21 am to Alt26
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If the Saints can't get a pass rusher, Foster wouldn't be a bad pick.
I'd rather reach on Cunningham than risk it on Foster.
My reasoning: Foster does not create turnovers. (ZERO Ints/FF in 3 years) He is short. And he plays too wreckless. He will no doubt miss games due to concussion when the backs he is taking out like a missle are 230+lbs and faster than him.
Cunningham is a playmaker. His range (6'4) gives us a real enforcer in the middle of the field.
For next year though...We need to hire a damn good LB coach and hope Steph develops, Craig maintains, & Ellerbeast stays healthy. No reason to draft a MLB and expect him to be the plug and play from day 1. Like we tried with Steph.
We could have a GREAT LB corps if the above happened.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:39 am to Melvin
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This is why I'm often embarrassed to call myself an LSU fan.
Anyone that is happy for Bama players to do well in the NFL is not a true LSU fan.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:50 am to MontanaTiger
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Anyone that is happy for Bama players to do well in the NFL is not a true LSU fan.
Sounds like you need to grow up
Posted on 1/17/17 at 9:55 am to MontanaTiger
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MontanaTiger
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:07 am to htran90
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Hope Tim Williams destroys the combine. Pushes another player back to us
Well thats a pipe dream. Too bad he's already destroyed his chances at being a first round pick with the reports of multiple failed drug test while at Alabama. It's never a good thing to be mentioned as having Randy Gregory type issues.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:20 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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There's nothing wrong with his tackling form. There used to be, but there isn't now.
Wrong. He lead with the crown of his helmet on a hit on DeShaun Watson. Not long after the hit, he was seen heading to the Alabama medical tent on the sideline.
Video of hit
The replays in the video clearly show Foster leading with the crown of his helmet. He has not corrected his tackling form.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:27 am to BigBrod81
I thought it was a great play. He came flying in like a missile and blew up Watson, stopping in short if the first down. I was impressed with his closing speed to be honest. I would have liked him to not tuck his left arm and rather extend it to wrap up. To me it was a great football hit.
I don't remember that being the thing that caused him to go to the medical tent.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:46 am to Throbinhood
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I thought it was a great play.
Leading with the crown of your helmet is never a great play especially for a player with previous neck, shoulder injuries as well as previous concussions caused by doing the exact same crap that caused those injuries to begin with. Kirby Smart & Nick Saban just last year tried to break him out of this bad habit but Foster continues to use bad tackling form.
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In the past, Foster has led with the crown of his helmet. He even did that when hitting Fournette. Foster had employed the help of a cowboy collar to avoid further damage to his neck, but the collar disappeared during the spring season – a good sign to his progress. And others agree with that belief.
“He’s tackling better, doing a lot better job,” defensive coordinator Kirby Smart said. “I think he put on some good weight over the summer to help protect himself from injuries.
“The big thing with him has always been health. He’s a really fast guy, he’s a really sharp guy, very intelligent guy, very instinctual player, but he’s been injury-prone. Some of that’s been from lack of bulk, some of that’s been from poor tackling and poor habits. So he’s tried to improve on that. He knows it’s an emphasis for him.”
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Sure, Foster is capable of producing big hit after big hit. There’s video evidence to prove it. But more often than not, he leads with his eyes looking at the turf, not his target.
This season, and throughout his career, Foster has led with the crown of his helmet when tackling an opponent, trying to connect an earth-shattering collision. That’s led to neck and shoulder injuries, and he’s even knocked himself out on occasion, at least that’s the folklore that echoes from the practice field.
The hit on Fournette is a prime example of that. Notice when Foster pops up after making the hit on the LSU running back. He can’t lift his right arm during the celebration because he injures his shoulder on the hit by leading with the top of his helmet.
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Another thing, the draft Foster talk needs to slow down until the medical evaluations at the combine. I think his neck & shoulders maybe an issue which those evaluations will either clear up any questions or they will become a bigger issue down the road. Foster went into the Alabama medical tent in the semifinal game against Washington as well. Something seems up with his neck or shoulder. If his neck & shoulders check out though, taking him at #11 won't be an issue but he will still have to clean up that leading with the crown of his helmet problem. He is not going to last long in the NFL if he continues to do so.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 1/17/17 at 10:49 am to BigBrod81
Ehh. You're kind of reaching there. There's not a defender on the planet that executes a form tackle every time they bring a ball carrier down. Like I said, he just played every game in a 15 game season. It's a fast and violent sport and he hasn't missed many games in his career playing a collision frequent position. He's never going to win a Pulitzer Prize but the guy can diagnose a play on the football field, fly to the ball, and arrive with bad intentions. The saints would be silly to pass on him in the event he's there at 11 (I doubt he will be). He's been compared to guys like Kuechly and Bowman for a reason. He's the kind of player that can change the culture for a defense
And the article you cited there is pretty old. You won't find many people that disagree he used to tackle like a man with a death wish. I've watched the kid play every game of his career and his technique is night and day from when he was playing special teams as an underclassman.
And the article you cited there is pretty old. You won't find many people that disagree he used to tackle like a man with a death wish. I've watched the kid play every game of his career and his technique is night and day from when he was playing special teams as an underclassman.
This post was edited on 1/17/17 at 10:53 am
Posted on 1/17/17 at 11:12 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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Ehh. You're kind of reaching there. There's not a defender on the planet that executes a form tackle every time they bring a ball carrier down.
Its the type of thing you damn sure want to evaluate when potentially using a near top 10 pick.
As I stated above. Id rather Cunningham late first or hell even Beckwith in the 2nd or 3rd. I do not expect a MLB to start from day 1.
And it would be just our luck we draft this STUD in Foster only to have his career cut short due to KNOWN ISSUES.
Posted on 1/17/17 at 11:23 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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There's not a defender on the planet that executes a form tackle every time they bring a ball carrier down.
Proper tackling form can be taught & executed still allowing for big hits that are legal within confines of today's rules.
Hawk tackling video
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He's been compared to guys like Kuechly and Bowman for a reason. He's the kind of player that can change the culture for a defense
I'm glad you mention Kuechly. His situation just goes to show no matter how physically gifted a LB is, concussions can possibly end your career still. With the way Foster leads with the crown of his helmet, he is putting himself in a position to be more susceptible to being concussed. But back to Kuechly. While no one was paying attention to the Panthers late this season, Kuechly was held out for the remaining games after his concussion against the Saints. Questions starting coming up about him possibly having to retire.
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Panthers GM Dave Gettleman said he has "no concerns" about Luke Kuechly's health.
Kuechly suffered his second serious concussion in as many seasons Week 11 and was held out the rest of the year despite clearing the concussion protocol. It appears the Panthers were just playing it safe with their defensive star, and Kuechly should be ready to go for the offseason program. Still, his history with concussions will continue to be a big concern moving forward. Jan 3
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Luke Kuechly leaving retirement decision for later
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Kuechly said he appreciated the concern when asked specifically about a Bleacher Report piece that quoted anonymous NFL players imploring Kuechly to sit out the remainder of the season and consider retirement.
"I know you appreciate those guys who want what is best for you and it's a thing we'll learn more about," Kuechly told reporters Wednesday. "I trust what our doctors have to say. I trust our coaches and all those guys. I want to get out there and play. This most recent time -- just like the last time -- everyone said 'you're good to go'. Just let it get better and then go from there. I'm excited whenever the opportunity is but I'm holding that retirement word for a little ways down the road so it's something you appreciate everyone's concern but whenever my opportunity comes back, I'll be back out there."
Kuechly also missed three games a year ago while in concussion protocol.
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Now, I have no doubt in my mind he comes back in for the 2017 season but one more concussion & its over for him. You can down play Foster's bad tackling technique & injury history all you want but the truth is, he has not corrected it & it will be an issue for him in the NFL if he cannot get it corrected. Kuechly uses some of the best form tackling techniques in all of football but he still has suffered concussions. What do you think will happen to Foster using his bad form in the NFL? Once a player starts getting concussions often, they are susceptible to getting them even more. Steve Young & Wes Welker are prototypical situations of players who were concussed easier the more concussions they received. You can even add Damian Swann on that list.
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