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re: Let's Discuss if Mark Ingram hits free agency this year
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:20 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:20 pm to Chad504boy
It would be better for Saints fan if it were just 1st team all-pro. That's maxed at 2. I think Gurley will take that spot: better stats and more popular.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 3:22 pm
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:21 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
That's maxed at 2.
that's what i been saying brah.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:22 pm to Chad504boy
quote:But it's not clear if it's restricted to first team.
that's what i been saying brah.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:26 pm to Chad504boy
bell, gurley, mccoy, freeman, d johnson.
Not counting zeke or jordan howard who were not in the league yet in 2015.
Not counting zeke or jordan howard who were not in the league yet in 2015.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:46 pm to Kennerkarl
Gurley, in 2016, 3.2 per carry. 885 yards in 16 games. Ingram has him there.
Mccoy, hurt in 15, 4.4 per, 3 TDs. Was great in 2016.
David Johnson..500 yards in 15. 4.6 per. 4.2 per in 2016. Not a world beater and not clearly better than ingram.
Chad's argument has water based upon your selections.
ETA. Zeke and Howard were not clearly better than Ingram based upon stats. Zeke was having an average year before he was suspended. Ingram was better in every category from then. Jordan Howard in 2016 was really good but not clearly better.
Mccoy, hurt in 15, 4.4 per, 3 TDs. Was great in 2016.
David Johnson..500 yards in 15. 4.6 per. 4.2 per in 2016. Not a world beater and not clearly better than ingram.
Chad's argument has water based upon your selections.
ETA. Zeke and Howard were not clearly better than Ingram based upon stats. Zeke was having an average year before he was suspended. Ingram was better in every category from then. Jordan Howard in 2016 was really good but not clearly better.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:50 pm to SaintEB
it wont matter what you say - kenner will just change the criteria to match what he wants to support his argument - which is basically a bowl of shite looking at itself in a mirror.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:54 pm to Thracken13
Someone please add up Mark Ingram's rushes , yards yards per carry for 2015 2016 and 2017
Posted on 12/5/17 at 3:55 pm to Chad504boy
Let him walk
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:01 pm to Chad504boy
From 2014-2017
Y/G 69.8
YPC 4.8
TDs 30
RPG 3.2
RYPG 21.6
Receiving TDs 4
777 attempts for 3698 yards
167 receptions for 1124 yards
Per 16 game average:
235 carries
1116 yards
9 TDs
50 receptions
339 yards
1 TD
Y/G 69.8
YPC 4.8
TDs 30
RPG 3.2
RYPG 21.6
Receiving TDs 4
777 attempts for 3698 yards
167 receptions for 1124 yards
Per 16 game average:
235 carries
1116 yards
9 TDs
50 receptions
339 yards
1 TD
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:06 pm to htran90
quote:
He signed a 4mil/yr contract knowing it was below market value to stay.
This should have no bearing on what you pay him.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:07 pm to SaintEB
If you need me to go year by year and show 5 backs each year that were better that can be done EASILY.
If you want 5 backs that have had overall better production 2015-2017 I just gave those names.
2015-17 -> Gurley has 300 more yards, 2 more tds, a PRO-BOWL.
Mccoy went to the pro bowl over ingram both years.
If you want 5 backs that have had overall better production 2015-2017 I just gave those names.
2015-17 -> Gurley has 300 more yards, 2 more tds, a PRO-BOWL.
Mccoy went to the pro bowl over ingram both years.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:07 pm to Chad504boy
Year G Att Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G
2017 12 180 15.0 922 5.1 76.8
2016 16 205 12.8 1,043 5.1 65.2
2015 12 166 13.8 769 4.6 64.1
Total 40 551 2734 4.9
the avg total was the 3 years added together and divided by 3
2017 12 180 15.0 922 5.1 76.8
2016 16 205 12.8 1,043 5.1 65.2
2015 12 166 13.8 769 4.6 64.1
Total 40 551 2734 4.9
the avg total was the 3 years added together and divided by 3
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:11 pm to Chad504boy
Ingram is a top 5 back right now.
At no point in time in the 2-3 years prior to 2017 could he be considered a top 5 back.
If you cant agree with that truth there is no point in debating.
At no point in time in the 2-3 years prior to 2017 could he be considered a top 5 back.
If you cant agree with that truth there is no point in debating.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:33 pm to moneyg
quote:
This should have no bearing on what you pay him.
agreed, but if he opts out you should reward him for quality play should you not?
I mean lets say he opts out, I'd EASILY give him 4/32mil.
His play has been quality, people want to bash the hell out of his total yardage but ignore the fact that before this year we were never a run-1st or run-heavy team.
The first year we are a run heavy team and he's leading the league in YPC when it comes to full-time backs. He's had the highest YPC the last 3 years as well.
Nobody here can legitimately name 5 better RBs the last 3 years. Hell, do it the last 2 years.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:36 pm to htran90
LET HIM WALK
Worford and Peat open the big arse holes for him. We can draft a guy in the 2nd round that does what Ingram does.
Worford and Peat open the big arse holes for him. We can draft a guy in the 2nd round that does what Ingram does.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:42 pm to Chad504boy
Spending big money on a RB usually doesnt pan out well
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:46 pm to Kennerkarl
Please show me who beats him by yards and per carry yards
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:38 pm to burke985
quote:
Need to keep them together, j
I havent reviewed the FA class but this certainly isnt imperative as Ingram value comes from our OL and the pass threat Brees brings. Bring him back at the right price, but as a RB going on his 3rd contract you do not want to open the bank for him.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:51 pm to Chad504boy
2015 - #13 in ypc
2016 - #6 in ypc
to go along with
2015 - #17 in yards and #33 in tds
2016 - #12 in yards and tds
Ingram top 5 back now - YES
Ingram top 5 back the past 2-3 - NO
Lack of volume (Injuries, Fumbles, and losing carries to TIM HIGHTOWER ) does not bolster your argument
2016 - #6 in ypc
to go along with
2015 - #17 in yards and #33 in tds
2016 - #12 in yards and tds
Ingram top 5 back now - YES
Ingram top 5 back the past 2-3 - NO
Lack of volume (Injuries, Fumbles, and losing carries to TIM HIGHTOWER ) does not bolster your argument
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:58 pm to Kennerkarl
it actually kind of does bolster his argument. you cannot expect people agree with your point of view if you are so close minded to accept what they are saying as well.
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