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Is it spelled in NFL rules that arm going upward starts throwing motion?
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:45 pm
I found the rule where it says that "throwing motion" is the beginning of a forward pass by rule and contact on the QB at that point creates an incomplete pass & dead ball regardless where it lands.
However, I can't find anywhere that defines a "throwing motion". And more specifically that the ball coming upwards is definitively part of this throwing motion. Is that in writing anywhere? Or can the refs just make this shite up as they go?
However, I can't find anywhere that defines a "throwing motion". And more specifically that the ball coming upwards is definitively part of this throwing motion. Is that in writing anywhere? Or can the refs just make this shite up as they go?
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:48 pm to Brightside Bengal
No. I looked earlier and can not find that. The weirdest thing is this.... If you take the snap, turn around the opposite direction, and throw the ball, it is a fumble....So even IF their rule was that, it should be a fumble.
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:01 pm to Brightside Bengal
No, it's bullshite gaslighting by the NFL and some Lions fans.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 4:36 am to Pesadelo_Triangulo
It's all about intent...... 
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:29 am to Pesadelo_Triangulo
quote:This is exactly what I was thinking when they overturned the fumble-td.
The weirdest thing is this.... If you take the snap, turn around the opposite direction, and throw the ball, it is a fumble....So even IF their rule was that, it should be a fumble.
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 6:31 am
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:31 am to MizunoDude
Not citing specifically the rule, but on broadcasts it has been "if the arm is starting forward motion" for years on this exact type of play. But suddenly no mention of that yesterday and instead we get the going upwards BS
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:52 am to Eternalmajin
quote:
Not citing specifically the rule, but on broadcasts it has been "if the arm is starting forward motion" for years
This
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:34 am to Brightside Bengal
From the NFL rulebook definition I think this is what you are looking for
Here is that whole section.
https://operations.nfl.com/rules-officiating/2026-nfl-rulebook
Still sucks.
quote:
when a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass.
Here is that whole section.
https://operations.nfl.com/rules-officiating/2026-nfl-rulebook
quote:
Section 21 - Pass
Article 1. Pass
A pass is the movement caused by a player intentionally throwing, or shoveling/pushing (shovel pass) the ball.
Article 2. Passer And Passing Team
A player who makes a legal forward pass is known as the passer until the play ends. The teammates of any player who passes the ball forward (legally or illegally) are known collectively as the passing team or passers.
Article 3. Forward Pass
It is a forward pass if:
the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hand(s);
the ball first touches the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand(s); or
when a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass.
Item 1. Contact by Team B Player.
If contact by an opponent materially affects a passer after the passer begins his throwing motion, it is a forward pass if he passes the ball, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else. When this occurs, intentional grounding rules do not apply.
When a passer is contacted by an opponent before beginning his throwing motion, the direction of the pass is the responsibility of the passer, and intentional grounding rules apply.
Item 2. Passer Tucks Ball.
If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.
Item 3. Passer Re-Cocks His Arm.
If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to re-cock his arm, it is a fumble.
Item 4. Fumbled or Muffed Ball Goes Forward.
The fact that a fumbled or muffed ball goes forward is disregarded, unless the act is ruled intentional. If it is intentional, a fumbled ball that goes forward is a forward pass (8-1-1), and a muff is a bat (12-5-1).
Article 4. Backward Pass
It is a Backward Pass if the yard line at which the ball is first touched by a player or the ground is parallel to or behind the yard line at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand. A snap becomes a backward pass when the snapper releases the ball.
Note: If a pass is batted, muffed, punched, or kicked in any direction, its original designation as a forward pass or a backward pass does not change.
Still sucks.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:07 am to Brightside Bengal
quote:
"throwing motion" is the beginning of a forward pass by rule and contact on the QB at that point creates an incomplete pass & dead ball regardless where it lands.
I think implicit in that is that the ball must move forward from the point of release/loss of contraol, i.e. throwing motion is when the arm moves forward and the ball is loosed from the hand in a forward direction from the hand, and it doesn't matter whether the ball falls laterally to any degree so long as it also moves FORWARD. In this case, it was a backwards pass. A lateral, fumble, literally anything but an incomplete forward pass.
Memory says the wrist/hand was barely moving forward before the ball became loose, but the ball went backwards. Thus, he began the throwing motion of a backwards pass. Intent doesn't exist.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:16 am to Barbellthor
This was no weird freak play. I’m most interested in how they call it against one of their darling teams going forward. Saints fans especially will not forget about this one anytime soon.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:47 pm to Brightside Bengal
The league is getting dragged on social media. They have interpreted the opposite way in the past. It really would be quite easy to add language to the rule which states if the ball go backwards, regardless of intent, the pass will be ruled a fumble and the ball is live to whomever recovers. Regardless of what rules may or may not say, the play didn’t pass the eye test with fans or former players. It will a a problem forward if not addressed.
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:48 pm to BEATbama05
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Per Terry, it is not codified. It’s just “common sense” that apparently all of the football watching world doesn’t have! It’s ridiculous
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:42 pm to pjk481
quote:and that "referees have always treated it this way"
Per Terry, it is not codified. It’s just “common sense” that apparently all of the football watching world doesn’t have! It’s ridiculous
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 9/14/26 at 9:36 pm to Neauxla
Ya it’s amazing he cites common sense when literally no one besides former NFL refs have ever seen this….

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