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Is it spelled in NFL rules that arm going upward starts throwing motion?

Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Brightside Bengal
New Metairie
Member since Sep 2007
3973 posts
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:45 pm
I found the rule where it says that "throwing motion" is the beginning of a forward pass by rule and contact on the QB at that point creates an incomplete pass & dead ball regardless where it lands.

However, I can't find anywhere that defines a "throwing motion". And more specifically that the ball coming upwards is definitively part of this throwing motion. Is that in writing anywhere? Or can the refs just make this shite up as they go?
Posted by Pesadelo_Triangulo
Irving, TX.
Member since Jul 2018
76 posts
Posted on 9/13/26 at 9:48 pm to
No. I looked earlier and can not find that. The weirdest thing is this.... If you take the snap, turn around the opposite direction, and throw the ball, it is a fumble....So even IF their rule was that, it should be a fumble.
Posted by Delusional
Member since Dec 2018
6794 posts
Posted on 9/13/26 at 10:01 pm to
No, it's bullshite gaslighting by the NFL and some Lions fans.
Posted by MizunoDude
Member since May 2020
1211 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 4:36 am to
It's all about intent......
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
49139 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:29 am to
quote:

The weirdest thing is this.... If you take the snap, turn around the opposite direction, and throw the ball, it is a fumble....So even IF their rule was that, it should be a fumble.
This is exactly what I was thinking when they overturned the fumble-td.
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 6:31 am
Posted by Eternalmajin
Member since Jun 2008
13783 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:31 am to
Not citing specifically the rule, but on broadcasts it has been "if the arm is starting forward motion" for years on this exact type of play. But suddenly no mention of that yesterday and instead we get the going upwards BS
Posted by King George
Member since Dec 2013
6217 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 6:52 am to
quote:

Not citing specifically the rule, but on broadcasts it has been "if the arm is starting forward motion" for years

This
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
49722 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 7:34 am to
From the NFL rulebook definition I think this is what you are looking for

quote:

when a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass.



Here is that whole section.

https://operations.nfl.com/rules-officiating/2026-nfl-rulebook

quote:

Section 21 - Pass

Article 1. Pass

A pass is the movement caused by a player intentionally throwing, or shoveling/pushing (shovel pass) the ball.

Article 2. Passer And Passing Team

A player who makes a legal forward pass is known as the passer until the play ends. The teammates of any player who passes the ball forward (legally or illegally) are known collectively as the passing team or passers.

Article 3. Forward Pass

It is a forward pass if:

the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hand(s);
the ball first touches the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand(s); or
when a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass.

Item 1. Contact by Team B Player.

If contact by an opponent materially affects a passer after the passer begins his throwing motion, it is a forward pass if he passes the ball, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else. When this occurs, intentional grounding rules do not apply.

When a passer is contacted by an opponent before beginning his throwing motion, the direction of the pass is the responsibility of the passer, and intentional grounding rules apply.

Item 2. Passer Tucks Ball.

If the player loses possession of the ball during an attempt to bring it back toward his body, or if the player loses possession after he has tucked the ball into his body, it is a fumble.

Item 3. Passer Re-Cocks His Arm.

If the player loses possession of the ball while attempting to re-cock his arm, it is a fumble.

Item 4. Fumbled or Muffed Ball Goes Forward.

The fact that a fumbled or muffed ball goes forward is disregarded, unless the act is ruled intentional. If it is intentional, a fumbled ball that goes forward is a forward pass (8-1-1), and a muff is a bat (12-5-1).

Article 4. Backward Pass

It is a Backward Pass if the yard line at which the ball is first touched by a player or the ground is parallel to or behind the yard line at which the ball leaves the passer’s hand. A snap becomes a backward pass when the snapper releases the ball.

Note: If a pass is batted, muffed, punched, or kicked in any direction, its original designation as a forward pass or a backward pass does not change.


Still sucks.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11863 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:07 am to
quote:

"throwing motion" is the beginning of a forward pass by rule and contact on the QB at that point creates an incomplete pass & dead ball regardless where it lands.

I think implicit in that is that the ball must move forward from the point of release/loss of contraol, i.e. throwing motion is when the arm moves forward and the ball is loosed from the hand in a forward direction from the hand, and it doesn't matter whether the ball falls laterally to any degree so long as it also moves FORWARD. In this case, it was a backwards pass. A lateral, fumble, literally anything but an incomplete forward pass.

Memory says the wrist/hand was barely moving forward before the ball became loose, but the ball went backwards. Thus, he began the throwing motion of a backwards pass. Intent doesn't exist.
Posted by BEATbama05
Benton, LA
Member since Oct 2008
736 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 11:16 am to
This was no weird freak play. I’m most interested in how they call it against one of their darling teams going forward. Saints fans especially will not forget about this one anytime soon.
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
6027 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:47 pm to
The league is getting dragged on social media. They have interpreted the opposite way in the past. It really would be quite easy to add language to the rule which states if the ball go backwards, regardless of intent, the pass will be ruled a fumble and the ball is live to whomever recovers. Regardless of what rules may or may not say, the play didn’t pass the eye test with fans or former players. It will a a problem forward if not addressed.
Posted by pjk481
Member since Sep 2011
738 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 12:48 pm to
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Per Terry, it is not codified. It’s just “common sense” that apparently all of the football watching world doesn’t have! It’s ridiculous
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34865 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 1:42 pm to
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Per Terry, it is not codified. It’s just “common sense” that apparently all of the football watching world doesn’t have! It’s ridiculous
and that "referees have always treated it this way"
This post was edited on 9/14/26 at 1:43 pm
Posted by pjk481
Member since Sep 2011
738 posts
Posted on 9/14/26 at 9:36 pm to
Ya it’s amazing he cites common sense when literally no one besides former NFL refs have ever seen this….
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