re: I would trade Ingram now.

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so 32 teams and hes top 15 = average starting back!

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You realize most teams use multiple RBs right? RBC is common in the NFL now.

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The only one I really want gone is Murphy.

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What?

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If we could get a 3rd I'd trade him.

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I love statements like this as it shows why average fans know nothing about how business runs.

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So you want us to take a player that we used 2 first rounders to draft, endured his slow start to his career, and now that he is finally performing well, get rid of him for a fricking 3rd round pick?

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Sunk costs are irrelevant. The only issue is whether or not a 3rd round pick and all associated cap implications and replacement players is worth more to the team moving forward than Ingram and all associated cap implications.

Ingram is not terrible, and he's improved a lot from his first few years.

But, I'd absolutely let him go for 3rd round value.

I won't rehash everything that was said, but...

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Roll with Alvin,Lasko, and AP

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Who will take over the responsibilities to pass block? That was one of AP's biggest negatives and one of MI's biggest strengths.

Lasko looked good in the 4th quarter of preseason games last year, but struggled against better competition. We do not know what we will truly get from Kamara to rely on him as an every down back. And AP was often taken out in passing situations in an offense where he was the only true threat bc of his inability to pass block and apparent struggles in the passing game. So, who takes on that role, or are we trading Ingram to a team for a better back?


Or is this one of those threads that if he has a bad game you can dig back up, but if we actually do trade him you will be able to pull the I told you so card only to start a new thread every Sunday that he has a great game bitching about how we traded him?

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So we can spend that 3rd on another rb that may or may not pan out?

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it wouldn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a player at a position that you feel you are heavy at only to replace him with the asset you require.

You move Ingram because you think you can replace him and acquire an asset at the same time that can be used to improve a weaker position.

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You move Ingram because you think you can replace him and acquire an asset at the same time that can be used to improve a weaker position.

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Except the issue with trading him is that you make rb a vastly weaker position by moving him, thus making it a position of need.

Some of yal here think Peterson is 28 or something. Dude is a hof'er but his days are limited.

Some of yal also forget pass protection is the most important thing for any 3 down rb in this offense. No rb on this roster can do what Ingram does or has shown they could in their entire college or NFL career.

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Except the issue with trading him is that you make rb a vastly weaker position by moving him, thus making it a position of need.

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If that's your opinion, obviously you don't make the deal. Personally, I disagree. I think we are going to see pretty quick that Ingram isn't the best back on the team. And, I think much of the success he has had i a product of an overall offensive system and playing with a tremendous passing attack.

When you consider what the Mike Bell, Pierre Thomas, Tim Hightower, Khiry Robinson, etc. have done in this offense when they were given the load, I just don't get concerned about the RB. Ingram has exceptional burst. But, his vision is lacking (he's improved on this tremendously) and overall I just don't think he's a great RB.

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Some of yal also forget pass protection is the most important thing for any 3 down rb in this offense.

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If your argument is that his pass blocking is the differentiator then, ok I guess. Personally, I think there are a lot of ways to make an impact. And if a defense has to scheme at all towards our running game, we'll probably benefit more from that than we would from our staring RBs pass protection ability (assuming said RB is adequate.)

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Tell that to the people still bitching about where he was drafted.

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Why would I do that. I didn't respond to them. And, you responded to me.

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He's an above average back if you remove the P&G glasses

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I don't agree with that. I personally was very supportive of the move to go get Ingram. I wanted Jonathan Allen this year. I admittedly hate Alabama but I want all of their best players to go to the Saints because I want the Saints to win. I don't think there are many Saints fans who would disagree.

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He's more valuable than anyone we'd take in round 3.

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I wouldn't trade him and take another RB if that's what you mean. But, tons of quality starters come from the 3rd round. A quality pick at a more needed position could absolutely improve this team.

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Which is why you do whatever it is you currently do instead of running NFL personnel.

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weak

We're all fans on this board. And, I don't see many/any NFL personnel departments offering a 3rd for Ingram.