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I really want Jake Haener to be successful

Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted by geauxtigers87
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:26 pm
underhill and everyone is reporting he looks great (yeah yeah training camp) but he probably excites me as much as any of the draft picks this year
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/31/23 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12529 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:29 pm to
Here is my perfect scenario:

Derek Carr plays at a top 10-12 QB for the next 3-4 years. Haener develops behind him and we sign Him to a 5-6 year extensions after his rookie deal at a moderate price. Then Haener takes over the starting job and gives us 3-5 years of top 10ish QB play at that moderate price before we have to renegotiate his pay for his 3rd contract. Haener ends up being our QB for 10-12 years and is a top 5 QB in his prime.

Wouldn't that be a nice series of events to come to fruition?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
131843 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:32 pm to
The way Carr's contract is set up if I recall, they can get out of it after like year 2.

If anything, if Haener is good they would move to him earlier so he's on a rookie contract starting for a year or two.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
12529 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

The way Carr's contract is set up if I recall, they can get out of it after like year 2.

If anything, if Haener is good they would move to him earlier so he's on a rookie contract starting for a year or two.


I don't disagree but have 2 counterpoints:

1) If Carr is playing well (top 12 type guy), I don't think you move on from him for an unknown. As I say that, I would love for the saints to bet on themselves and be correct with HAener.

2) if we let Haener start 2 years down the road, we would get 2 cheap years and then have to give him a QB salary. If we keep him on the bench for his entire rookie deal, then resign him to 5-6 years BEFORE he proves he is a starter, then we could get 4-5 years of cheap QB play.

Like I said in my first post, my version of events is a pipedream that most likely won't happen. Reality is that either Carr plays well enough that we try to ride with him for 6-8 years (QBS are playing until they are 40+) and Haener ends up walking in FA at some point along the way. Or Carr sucks and we turn to Haener or someone else within the next 2 years.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
16085 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 1:45 pm to
The Saints have drafted what, one good QB in the 56 years they’ve been around? Time owes them at some point.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
7209 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Derek Carr plays at a top 10-12 QB for the next 3-4 years. Haener develops behind him and we sign Him to a 5-6 year extensions after his rookie deal at a moderate price. Then Haener takes over the starting job and gives us 3-5 years of top 10ish QB play at that moderate price before we have to renegotiate his pay for his 3rd contract. Haener ends up being our QB for 10-12 years and is a top 5 QB in his prime.

Wouldn't that be a nice series of events to come to fruition?
That's how it'll go in my Madden Franchise mode
Posted by partywiththelombardi
Member since May 2012
11800 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 3:07 pm to
If Haener is any good he will know by the time his rookie contact is up

He wouldn't complete his rookie deal and then sign a 5-6 year deal below what he thinks his market could be a a starter.

Best bet would be a 2-3 year extension to his rookie deal once we believe in him so he would get a nice chunk of guaranteed money but still be able to bet on himself and having the option to get real starting QB money in his prime rather than 9-10 years of being underpaid

This also would be based on his rookie contract being off the field which would mean 4 years of Carr being good and healthy...all it would take is some/even limited but successful playing time for potential suitors/QB needy teams to come calling aka Matt Flynn, Jimmy G, Brock Osweiler etc

The only way Saints get that rookie deal bonus is if Jake can develop and legitimately challenge for the starting position by year 3 IMO
Posted by VictoryHill
Watson, LA
Member since Nov 2013
3261 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 8:29 pm to
Jake Haener is a plug in starter for a team like the Saints right now. I'd not be surprised to see us move on from Carr towards the middle of his deal rather than the end of it.

Jake Haener is a player. Glad everyone is coming around.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23707 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 9:42 pm to
quote:

I really want Jake Haener to be successful


Besides Falcons, Panthers, and Buccs, who doesn't?
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
3124 posts
Posted on 7/31/23 at 11:11 pm to
quote:

2) if we let Haener start 2 years down the road, we would get 2 cheap years and then have to give him a QB salary. If we keep him on the bench for his entire rookie deal, then resign him to 5-6 years BEFORE he proves he is a starter, then we could get 4-5 years of cheap QB play.


This isn’t how real life works
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
15203 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:08 am to
Really liked the Haener pick when we took him. Great value in the 4th. Still boggles the mind that we took Ian Book in the same round as him.
Posted by oncealurker
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
5108 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:26 am to
quote:

he probably excites me


:Insert Haener modeling pic here:
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62963 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 12:53 am to
quote:

Jake Haener is a plug in starter for a team like the Saints right now.


No. He may wind up playing some next year due to injuries and turn into the Saints Brock Purdy down the road. But I don’t think they drafted him as the QB of the future in the 4th round. I think their hope for him was to develop into a solid backup for Carr so we can get rid of Jamies next year and just carry 2 QBs. And if something happens to Carr like it did with Drew a couple of times, he can come in for 4-5 games like Teddy and Jamies and prevent the season from tanking before Carr gets back. And he’s supposedly super smart, dedicated, and determined, so hopefully we won’t have to keep an expensive veteran around because we trust him at a young age to keep us afloat if it comes down to it. And he s a team player that will work well with Carr and take a load off him in the weekly prep. Kinda like Chase Daniel. Though he’ll obviously throw more passes than Chase.

I think that was the plan for him and that adds tremendous value. If he does eventually develop into a legit starter, which he could, that’s just lagniappe and he would have exceeded what I think they drafted him for. And I hope he does—that would be huge. But I think we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves thinking we’re gonna move off of Carr after 2 years because Haener’s just that good.

And Victory is even more retarded thinking he could actually be better than Carr already. If he does eventually take over the team, it will be 3,4,5 years down the line. Which would be amazing for s 4th round pick. But he has size limitations that he’s gonna have to figure out how to navigate around like Drew did, and it even took him 4,5 years to master that.

Tl;dr—it’s a bit too early to anoint him as the future franchise QB, and I think expectations should be tempered. But it looks like we may have found a diamond in the rough that could provide infinitely more value than I think their initial plan was for him. And I’m pulling for it to happen because that would be great for the long-term state of the organization. I just think it’s gonna take a few years of development before that potentially—and hopefully—happens.
Posted by VictoryHill
Watson, LA
Member since Nov 2013
3261 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 7:09 am to
quote:

But I don’t think they drafted him as the QB of the future in the 4th round

Of course he wasn't drafted to be that, but that's what he is. Don't conflate the two. Legitimate players slip through the cracks every year in the league and Jake Haener is one of them.

ETA: Nowhere did I say he was better than Carr at this exact moment or say he was a future franchise QB for anyone. fricking idiot. Saying Haener would be a plug-in starter is simply saying he'd be fine operating the offense, not that he's better than what's currently there. That if he had to start, he'd be okay.

You live on this forum so you think you'd be a tad better with the reading comprehension and context. Reading is fundamental, lil guy.
This post was edited on 8/1/23 at 7:20 am
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
57309 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 11:55 am to
Only time will tell
The QB position is definitely upgraded with Carr and Haener
Would be ecstatic if Haener can push Carr and be the eventual successor
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
43552 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 2:07 pm to
If he kills it Sunday, Jameis gonna be sent to Vegas for Renfrow or another team for a LG or LT.
Posted by BTRDD
Member since Jun 2009
3994 posts
Posted on 8/1/23 at 5:10 pm to
The Eagles will pluck him from our practice squad.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
24690 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

underhill and everyone is reporting he looks great (yeah yeah training camp) but he probably excites me as much as any of the draft picks this year





Underhill and everyone are clowns.
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