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re: Guaranteed money could be the sticking point on a Drew Brees deal

Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:45 am to
Posted by Patrick O Rly
y u do dis?
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 4:45 am to
I don't expect him to get paid below fair market value, but he's probably trying to maximize as usual.
Posted by moneyg
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63087 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:23 am to
I'm starting to think that the issue with Brees' contract may be related to compensation.

Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:24 am to
quote:

Isn't guaranteed money always the sticking point?


Everyone with some knowledge on this stuff knows that, Jeff.

You making it up was never a stretch. Your numbers were.
Posted by Hoodoo Man
Sunshine Pumping most days.
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:52 am to
I said that.

Not Jeff.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 8:59 am to
I know. I was using that to show that people who know about these things know that guarantees are always the sticking point.

Instead of Jeff thinking he had real inside info on something that lots of people know.

I just forgot to also quote him.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 9:01 am
Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:12 am to
Oh, I see.
My bad.

In the future, when complimenting me, please be more explicit.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13756 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:50 am to
quote:

25 a year isn't that crazy. 4 years is, though. I'd like 2/48 or 3/72ish better
4 years is fine as long as only 1-2 are guaranteed.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

becoming more obvious by the day that Drew is all in for Drew. And that's great for him but don't freaking try to insult Saints fans everywhere by portraying yourself as a choir boy who is all about the team. That's the furthest from the truth. Drew is all about Drew but is to big of a puss to own it.
How soon we forget...
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

If he wants to be remembered for how much money he ends up with, then that's fine


quote:

But if he claims to be a great competitor, stop fricking around trying to squeeze the Saints out of every penny. It's all about SB ring(s)-plural.
If the Saints want him so badly, shouldn't they do the same and pay him? Why is it always up to the player to let up, why not the team?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130305 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:06 pm to
4 years is literal insanity. He'll be 38 when the next offseason begins.

A 2 year deal makes sense. 3 is the max. 4 would be retarded. I'm sure he's holding out for 4, as he should. This is a business for him.
Posted by bonethug0108
Avondale
Member since Mar 2013
12690 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:11 pm to
You want to do 3-4 years to spread the hit out a bit. And when he is ready to retire you add a dummy year to spread it out even further.

You don't want to cram $50 mil guaranteed into 2 years (because if it is only 2 years he's going to want it fully guaranteed).
Posted by Gutta Whodi
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2015
90 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:14 pm to
Whoa, how insightful. Hope the saints don't get stuck paying a geriatric QB market value.
Posted by Sparkplug#1
Member since May 2013
7352 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 1:21 pm to
Go for the 4 year 100 million deal and get it done. Without Brees, we are nothing. There are no other outstanding talents on our team.
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 3:05 pm to
Man, I love Brees and what he has done for the Saints and this city, but 4 years/100 mil and if he is asking that 65 mil be guaranteed, I am not sure about that.

The problem is if we don't give it to him another team that just needs a QB to complete their roster will.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

If the Saints want him so badly, shouldn't they do the same and pay him? Why is it always up to the player to let up, why not the team?




Because multi million dollar a year athletes with franchises, ad revenue, and millions of dollars from previous contracts who have more money for themselves than some countries entire GDP can afford to take a little less money for the good of the team.

Franchises, on the other hand, have a set of rules they have to abide by. They cannot spend a few extra million on a player because it means they cannot spend that on pressing needs in other spots of the team. Never letting up and paying every player what they ask for because they feel that the players are irreplaceable is how you end up in cap hell.

Trading away players who have value at the end of their contracts instead of overpaying them and paying other rookies and vets is how you end up with a Dynasty.

Do you not understand that very reasonable difference?
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32302 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 6:39 pm to
what team traded a top 5 qb though?
This post was edited on 6/6/16 at 6:39 pm
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39654 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:10 pm to
It's a business thing.

Find someone in business and ask them to explain it to you.

Posted by Hoodoo Man
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Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:22 pm to
Am I the only one who is pretty Que Sera Sera about these negotiations?
Posted by oVo
Member since Dec 2013
11983 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 9:32 pm to
Let's trade for JCutty. Him and Payton would do work on and off the field.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32302 posts
Posted on 6/6/16 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

Am I the only one who is pretty Que Sera Sera about these negotiations?



nope. its going to happen, i'm not going to bitch about it. Football requires a team, a single individual can only do so much.

If we sign Brees to 4/100 his salary % compared to the salary cap isn't too significant.

2017: projected 166mil (15.1%)
2018: projected 178mil (14.0%)
2019: projected 190mil (13.2%)
2010: projected 200mil (12.5%)

Considering this was what he ate last time:

2012: 120.6mil (16.6%)
2013: 123mil (16.3%)
2014: 133mil (15.0%)
2015: 143mil (14.0%)
2016: 155mil (12.9%)
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