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re: For those on the Shough bandwagon.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:30 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:30 am to GynoSandberg
Just FACTS
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Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:47 am to mylsuhat
To all the jack asses trying to use college stats as the end all, be all:
Tom Brady Stats
But let's keep arguing with stupidity. College stats for a QB has some correlation to pro success, but not for every QB. For every Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf there is a Tom Brady and Josh Allen.
Will Shough be good? Who the frick knows. But if you are only using college stats to determine that you are an idiot.
Tom Brady Stats
But let's keep arguing with stupidity. College stats for a QB has some correlation to pro success, but not for every QB. For every Jamarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf there is a Tom Brady and Josh Allen.
Will Shough be good? Who the frick knows. But if you are only using college stats to determine that you are an idiot.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:49 am to Godfather1
quote:
Moving the goalposts.
Not at all. That’s the point, we took a guy that wasn’t dominate or led his conference in anything with a very high pick.
Purdy, cousins, Brady went in the 7th, 4th and 6th round.
I woulda been fine with Shough in the 4th. We took him just a few spots after where the Ravens drafted Lamar.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 8:54 am to Townedrunkard
And? He was someone a lot of teams were high on because of his arm and maturity. His last year wasn't some shite season. Those were good stats and teams recognized that combined with the prior.
So we pass on him, he becomes a pro bowler, and then you have the same idiots yelling at how we passed on a sure thing.
No one knows how good he will be in the PROS yet. People need to chill and let it play out. If he sucks, then yeah terrible pick. But we don't know anything yet, and trying to guess based on college stats is idiotic.
Edit:
For reference I was one of those idiots who thought Rosen was going to be the next great QB and Allen was a huge bust waiting to happen, based largely on college stats. This is why I warn others to not be idiots like I was.
So we pass on him, he becomes a pro bowler, and then you have the same idiots yelling at how we passed on a sure thing.
No one knows how good he will be in the PROS yet. People need to chill and let it play out. If he sucks, then yeah terrible pick. But we don't know anything yet, and trying to guess based on college stats is idiotic.
Edit:
For reference I was one of those idiots who thought Rosen was going to be the next great QB and Allen was a huge bust waiting to happen, based largely on college stats. This is why I warn others to not be idiots like I was.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:15 am to Townedrunkard
Purdy led conference in passing yards 2x, comp % 1x,
Cousins led the conference in pass yards too
Shough is older than Purdy
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:20 am to GynoSandberg
quote:People harp on this FAR too much. We won our only super bowl with a QB that was 27 when we signed him, and had a blown shoulder no one thought he could heal from. He was also up and down his pro career and had been benched before.
Shough is older than Purdy
I do not give a frick about how old Shough is. I only care if he is good or not, which no one here knows yet.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:22 am to GynoSandberg
I'll admit that I am in "give him a chance I think he could be good" mode, but its entirely based on wishful thinking and Kellen Moore's opinion.
I can't base it on any statistical reality
I can't base it on any statistical reality
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:23 am to Fun Bunch
Tom Brady was not a good college QB. Neither was Josh Allen. Those are statistical realities.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:28 am to bonethug0180
People need to get over Shough’s path as an outlier and judge what you see on field now
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:30 am to bonethug0180
That's fair, those are 2 guys out of hundreds and hundreds.
I like Shough's physical make up, I like the arm talent, he seems to have a really good head on his shoulders, and I like the perseverance.
I like that a staff with Moore/Nuss/Tolzien made him their guy.
But he's a 7 year college player and in his best year last year it was just good statistically.
I'm in hopeful mode
I like Shough's physical make up, I like the arm talent, he seems to have a really good head on his shoulders, and I like the perseverance.
I like that a staff with Moore/Nuss/Tolzien made him their guy.
But he's a 7 year college player and in his best year last year it was just good statistically.
I'm in hopeful mode
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:34 am to Fun Bunch
The 7 year thing is also an EXTREME outlier with how it happened. 3 serious injuries, but all of the bone type (and 2 to the same place), both spots which he has had plated to prevent further breaks.
This isn't someone who was off doing something else and then decided to try football later. This guy LIVES football.
He is the ONLY player that I know of that has walked this path, so to judge how he will do based on a Brandon Weeden would be silly.
Edit:
Also want to make extremely clear I am not saying he will become Brady or Allen, just that college stats don't come across directly for every QB.
This isn't someone who was off doing something else and then decided to try football later. This guy LIVES football.
He is the ONLY player that I know of that has walked this path, so to judge how he will do based on a Brandon Weeden would be silly.
Edit:
Also want to make extremely clear I am not saying he will become Brady or Allen, just that college stats don't come across directly for every QB.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 9:45 am to bonethug0180
I don’t give a frick about his age as it pertains to possible NFL success
Of course it is very convenient to dismiss the college stats of a 25 year old ACC QB when they are mid. Even more so when the mid stats correlate with some of the mid to bad under the hood metrics
If Josh Allen was an arse college QB at 25 you may have comparable point. Even still, he had an elite trait to fall back if his passing never fully developed
Of course it is very convenient to dismiss the college stats of a 25 year old ACC QB when they are mid. Even more so when the mid stats correlate with some of the mid to bad under the hood metrics
If Josh Allen was an arse college QB at 25 you may have comparable point. Even still, he had an elite trait to fall back if his passing never fully developed
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:08 am to Townedrunkard
It’s hilarious to see people look at shrugged stats and still convince themselves that shough potential is higher than sanders whose stats run circles around him all 70 years he was in college lol
Posted on 5/12/25 at 10:57 am to bonethug0180
quote:
Tom Brady was not a good college QB. Neither was Josh Allen. Those are statistical realities.
I never paid much attention to Brady’s college career. So I can’t comment. I just remember him battling it out with Drew Henson.
Allen blew scouts away with his size, cannon arm and running ability. Biggest question was his accuracy. He was compared somewhat to Cam Newton coming out of college.
I remember that draft scouting reports saying he probably had the worse receivers in the country. They dropped a ton of balls and didn’t get separation.
No doubt he was still somewhat of a gamble. But he had number 1 overall physical ability and talent. That was said a bunch of times. And he was what, 21 years old when drafted.
Although Shough is a good athlete for the position, not one scout has said he has number one overall talent or ability like Allen. And he’s still just two years younger than Allen.
Like it or not, the NFL is a whole different animal. Even tho he’s older, it may take him a couple years to adjust to the speed of the game.
This post was edited on 5/12/25 at 11:04 am
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:04 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
I don’t give a frick about his age as it pertains to possible NFL success
Of course it is very convenient to dismiss the college stats of a 25 year old ACC QB when they are mid. Even more so when the mid stats correlate with some of the mid to bad under the hood metrics
If Josh Allen was an arse college QB at 25 you may have comparable point. Even still, he had an elite trait to fall back if his passing never fully developed
Yeah this is a combination of age + lack of production.
Imagine Brock Purdy (3 months younger than Shough) in college last year. Do we think he'd be as mid as Shough was last year? That's the real point of the age discussion.
There is a reason these guys have such a low hit rate in the NFL. That older age and maturity is what gave them an edge on 17-23 year olds, but it's immediately lost in the NFL.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:05 am to Townedrunkard
Allen is also the ultimate outlier.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
given Kellen's Success with QB's, and what he did with the Eagles, how about everyone just wait and see how Shough does? if Kellen likes him and sees a player that he can work with to maximize his potential, then I think we all need to just wait and see what happens, instead of just outright shitting on the pick.
this isnt the old regime - we have to unthink how we got conditioned to just accepts what DA/PC wanted.
give this staff a chance - if it hits, fantastic, but give it a chance
this isnt the old regime - we have to unthink how we got conditioned to just accepts what DA/PC wanted.
give this staff a chance - if it hits, fantastic, but give it a chance
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:40 am to Thracken13
It’s May, we are just talking Saints QBs like the rest of the world. I don’t think anyone is shitting on the pick, but there are things that are staring us in the face that need to be acknowledged
I don’t think anyone is not prepared to wait and see. I think everyone is excited to see how it plays out, for better or worse. Its going to dictate our future pretty heavily.
I don’t think anyone is not prepared to wait and see. I think everyone is excited to see how it plays out, for better or worse. Its going to dictate our future pretty heavily.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:40 am to Thracken13
People would rather just call it a fail before seeing ANYTHING and then be right and brag than to give things a legit shot to play out, but will either go complete delusional hater and pray for the pick to fail after proving successful, or just say aw gee glad I was wrong like the negativity wasn't vitriolic.
It's crazy how often this plays out on the negative side but is far more rare on the positive.
I don't see anyone saying this dude for sure will be the next great qb, but I sure do see a ton of people 100% convinced this was the worst pick they could have made, all without seeing anything happen in the pros yet.
It's crazy how often this plays out on the negative side but is far more rare on the positive.
I don't see anyone saying this dude for sure will be the next great qb, but I sure do see a ton of people 100% convinced this was the worst pick they could have made, all without seeing anything happen in the pros yet.
Posted on 5/12/25 at 11:43 am to Townedrunkard
Don't ever mention Shough in the same sentence as Lamar.
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