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re: FA prediction... paaaaaiiinnnnnn
Posted on 7/25/11 at 6:29 pm to goatmilker
Posted on 7/25/11 at 6:29 pm to goatmilker
Loomis's main job is to manage the money. There are ways to create money
cutting Bush alone frees up 12 million dollars.
Then you have guys like Randall Gay and Alex Brown who are collecting pay checks but not producing.
we have 26 UFA and most of them as backups, which is a good thing. A lot of guys will accept contracts just to stay on with the team. More on this below.
i dont think any of those "big" 3 guys are worthy of being over paid in Free agency and i cant see many teams feeling any different. I agree with you. Harpers perceived value on the market is prob the highest.
Maybe I am wrong. When it comes down to it, are they going to want to take an extra million or so and have to learn a new system in a short amount or time? Or will they see it worth it to maybe take slightly less to stay where they are comfortable.
there definitely is some bargaining power on each side. But in the end i think stability will win out in the end.
like i said, if we lose all 3 of those guys Loomis should be fired. We have the ability to pay 2 a good amount of money. and bushrod should know he isnt a starter on most teams, but has a safe job in NO for the time being. There isnt a team in the NFL tbat he is more valuable to than the Saints. As average as he is
cutting Bush alone frees up 12 million dollars.
Then you have guys like Randall Gay and Alex Brown who are collecting pay checks but not producing.
we have 26 UFA and most of them as backups, which is a good thing. A lot of guys will accept contracts just to stay on with the team. More on this below.
i dont think any of those "big" 3 guys are worthy of being over paid in Free agency and i cant see many teams feeling any different. I agree with you. Harpers perceived value on the market is prob the highest.
Maybe I am wrong. When it comes down to it, are they going to want to take an extra million or so and have to learn a new system in a short amount or time? Or will they see it worth it to maybe take slightly less to stay where they are comfortable.
there definitely is some bargaining power on each side. But in the end i think stability will win out in the end.
like i said, if we lose all 3 of those guys Loomis should be fired. We have the ability to pay 2 a good amount of money. and bushrod should know he isnt a starter on most teams, but has a safe job in NO for the time being. There isnt a team in the NFL tbat he is more valuable to than the Saints. As average as he is
This post was edited on 7/25/11 at 6:35 pm
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Posted on 7/25/11 at 6:40 pm to Lester Earl
Harper isn't leaving. The Saints will overpay for him, unfortunately. He's a product of the Gregg Williams defense, and other teams know this.
Posted on 7/25/11 at 6:45 pm to Lester Earl
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cutting Bush alone frees up 12 million dollars.
$8m.
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we have 26 UFA and most of them as backups.
Backups cost money. Actually, they cost more than ever, and filling out the rest of the roster with backups is going to eat into a decent chunk of that money saved cutting Bush.
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I dont see any team really overpaying for any of those 3 guys.
Teams are $40m below the suddenly higher cap floor. Teams HAVE to overpay FAs this year.
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When it comes down to it, are they going to want to take an extra million or so and have to learn a new system in a short amount or time?
This isn't going to be over $1m, this is going to be guys like Moore getting paid ~25-30% more than they would have if they were FAs last season, in an UNCAPPED year.
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We have the ability to pay 2 a good amount of money.
You've got your head in the sand as bad as Meateye and other fella I've never seen before. If we spend money on them, what happens next season. Let me emphasize the free agents next season, and this is assuming Brees extends THIS season:
-Carl Nicks (voted a top 60 player in NFLN player poll, could very well see Jarhi $)
-Marques Colston (same situation)
-Tracy Porter (an above average CB, which is an expensive position)
-Robert Meachem
-Sedrick Ellis
-Charles Rogers (you want to let both go?)
I could make an argument that every single one of those players will be tougher to replace than Moore and Harper.
But then I'm sure we'll find a way to pay all them, too. And then we'll find a way to pay whoever is a FA the next season and the next and the one after that and the Saints will NEVER have to make the tough decisions that every other great team in the salary cap era has made.
This post was edited on 7/25/11 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 7/25/11 at 6:56 pm to THRILLHO
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$8m.
This is what Duncan tweeted a few days ago. That is what im going by. Regardless if it is 8 or 12 that is a nice chunk.
JeffDuncan
Now you know why Reggie Bush's $16.0M cap hit is so important. The #Saints can create another $12 million by cutting Bush.
Pat Y. below from an ESPN chat:
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Pat Yasinskas: Trading Bush really isn’t an option because the new team would have to pick up the final year of his contract, which includes an $11.8 million base salary. He currently is scheduled to cost the Saints $16 million against this year’s cap. If they release him, they still would take a $3.5 million cap hit for pro-rated bonus money, but it would be a savings of $12.5 million in cap space compared to where things currently stand.
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Backups cost money. Actually, they cost more than ever, and filling out the rest of the roster with backups is going to eat into a decent chunk of that money saved cutting Bush.
I know they cost money. It's Loomis' job to tweak that. Thankfully there arent many of these UFA's that will targeted by other teams.
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This isn't going to be over $1m, this is going to be guys like Moore getting paid ~25-30% more than they would have if they were FAs last season, in an UNCAPPED year.
Lol, we will see.
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You've got your head in the sand as bad as Meateye and other fella I've never seen before. If we spend money on them, what happens next season. Let me emphasize the free agents next season, and this is assuming Brees extends THIS season:
-Carl Nicks (voted a top 60 player in NFLN player poll, could very well see Jarhi $)
-Marques Colston (same situation)
-Tracy Porter (an above average CB, which is an expensive position)
-Robert Meachem
-Sedrick Ellis
-Charles Rogers (you want to let both go?)
unless you are assuming we are going to break the bank to keep Moore or Bushrod or Harper. I dont think we will, but then again i dont think they will command a high dollar to pose much of a threat. Maybe one of them. Not all 3.
as far as those players, i doubt we pay Colston AND Meachem. Nicks will get his. And Rodgers is prob gone after this year. Porter could prove to be expendable too should Patrick Robinson take the next step.
My head isnt in the sand at all. Im about as real as they come with our players. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. So be it. I dont see your scenario playing out. If we lose all 3 of those guys i wont post on the Saints board until week 4.
This post was edited on 7/25/11 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:21 pm to THRILLHO
this didn't work out too well 
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:27 pm to THRILLHO
quote:Shouldn't you be putting in pipe?
THRILLHO
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:28 pm to Brageous
Fair enough. Next offseason is going to hurt. And I think I made a fair argument for why what I thought those things would happen.
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:28 pm to THRILLHO
I'm just happy we have football at this point brother! 
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:33 pm to THRILLHO
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Next offseason is going to hurt.
you thought we wouldnt be able to sign these guys this offseason, and still think the same thing about next?
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And I think I made a fair argument for why what I thought those things would happen.
what was fair about it?
im not convinced that you know how salary cap and spending works, but that is just me.
of course we can't sign everyone, but we are going to do our best to sign our most important guys. That has always been the case. Save the doom and gloom shite for another day
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:34 pm to Lester Earl
do we know what lance moore got yet?
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:36 pm to Ice Cold
this thread sucks
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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do we know what lance moore got yet?
No.
Other teams are releasing the figures to keep players from reneging on contracts. It seems the Saints are taking the same approach they always do: being very tightlipped.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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do we know what lance moore got yet?
nope, i would guess around 4-5 mil a year with prob 8-10 guaranteed
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:46 pm to Lester Earl
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you thought we wouldnt be able to sign these guys this offseason, and still think the same thing about next?
So you think the Saints will NEVER have to make a decision about letting a player go because they can't afford them?
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what was fair about it?
im not convinced that you know how salary cap and spending works, but that is just me.
I made an educated guess that was wrong. You and others completely ignore that there's a salary cap right now. That or YOU don't know how the cap works. And given that Bushrod signed a 2 year deal, I'd say he cost less than quite a few were expecting. Lance Moore very well may have been signed at the expense of keeping Colston.
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of course we can't sign everyone, but we are going to do our best to sign our most important guys
Brees/Porter/Nicks/Colston/Meachem
That may be the BIGGEST group of expiring players in the history of FA. I don't know how to make it any simpler. Each of those guys is more important than Lance Moore, Bushrod, and Harper (you could argue Meachem and Moore, but whatever).
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:53 pm to THRILLHO
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So you think the Saints will NEVER have to make a decision about letting a player go because they can't afford them?
of course they will, it happens every year. They just let Remi Ayodele walk. As unheralded as he was, he was a very solid player for us. But no way we could pay him what he got with Minn.
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Brees/Porter/Nicks/Colston/Meachem
That may be the BIGGEST group of expiring players in the history of FA. I don't know how to make it any simpler. Each of those guys is more important than Lance Moore, Bushrod, and Harper (you could argue Meachem and Moore, but whatever).
Not sure if serious?
Meachem? lol
If Meachem doesnt step up this year, he isnt going to cost much or even be retained. If he does, then you decide between youth(him) or expereince(Colston). Then there is still the draft, and free agency next year.
the world is not ending.
As far as Nicks i wouldnt be surprised if we let him walk.
Tracy Porter will have to make a pro bowl and have a super season for him to command top dollar. I dont know what land you are living in dude.
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That or YOU don't know how the cap works.
read first post and ask yourself if that makes sense to you.
after reading this thread and a post by you this afternoon about the cap, its obvious you went back and read up on somethings. Not so doom and gloom, eh? I believe you calculated we could have almost 30mil to spend?
This post was edited on 7/28/11 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 7/28/11 at 2:57 pm to THRILLHO
Thrillho vs. Loomis
Who ya got?
Who ya got?
Posted on 7/28/11 at 3:04 pm to josh336
Loomis is killing Thrillho. Just killing him.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 3:14 pm to Lester Earl
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They just let Remi Ayodele walk.
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Meachem? lol
Meachem LOL? You just mentioned Ayodele walking as a "tough decision" in a thread where I was talking about players way the frick out of his league.
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As far as Nicks i wouldnt be surprised if we let him walk.
And he's a more important player than Moore and Bushrod combined.
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Tracy Porter will have to make a pro bowl and have a super season for him to command top dollar. I dont know what land you are living in dude.
Yeah, I'm sure he'll let fans that vote for the most popular players decide how much he'll get paid. I promise you that Porter would get $7m+ a year if he were a FA right now.
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after reading this thread and a post by you this afternoon about the cap, its obvious you went back and read up on somethings. Not so doom and gloom, eh? I believe you calculated we could have almost 30mil to spend?
I posted the same thing early this morning. I haven't gone back and read shite. $30m isn't shite when you have to sign 15-20 or so "cheap" bench players and extend Brees. And that's assuming you're willing to go into FA next season with all of those players hitting the market at the same time rather than extending some THIS year. I may be pulling this out of my arse since I don't know what I'm talking about, but last I checked, you can get away with offering less money to extend a player making $400k than you can if they're on the market taking offers from any team that wants them.
Posted on 7/28/11 at 3:31 pm to THRILLHO
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Meachem LOL? You just mentioned Ayodele walking as a "tough decision" in a thread where I was talking about players way the frick out of his league.
Ayodele has been a more important player than Meachem to us.
startng DT at a thin position> 3rd or 4th WR or 5th WR which Meachem has been at times.
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And he's a more important player than Moore and Bushrod combined.
of course he is.
Jahri Evans is the richest guard in the history of the NFL.
Would you be shocked if they didn't want to pay Nicks a large sum of money? I wouldn't. WHy? Because it is quite ridiculous to have that much money tied up in 2 guards.
If they are going to pay him, they will find the money to. It wont be because we signed Moore and Bushrod this offseason.
I have a feeling if his demands are too high, they'll let him walk.
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Yeah, I'm sure he'll let fans that vote for the most popular players decide how much he'll get paid.
lol you are an idiot.
Im sorry, he'll have to have a PRO BOWL type year to command a high dollar. He hasn't had one yet.
Nothing to do with the fans, man.
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I promise you that Porter would get $7m+ a year if he were a FA right now.
maybe so. Ask me next year when it matters
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I posted the same thing early this morning. I haven't gone back and read shite. $30m isn't shite when you have to sign 15-20 or so "cheap" bench players and extend Brees
The fact that you only thought originally that Bush would free up $8mil tells me that you went back and read up.
$30mil isnt shite when he have to resign a bunch of backups? WTF. Come on.
And Drew Brees isnt worried about his contract right now. From his own mouth.
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