re: Derek Carr seeking $35M or more per year in free agent contract

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What was their average cap hit?

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Literally a worthless ranking.

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So the cap hit means something now? With as much as we have manipulated the cap over the years that number is suppose to mean anything. Winston’s cap was way below 15 this year, so it goes both ways.

That poster thought 15 a year was low. About half the league QBs made less. That’s cash that they made with several making that on one year deals.

...and Luton. Jake Luton.

The cap hit aside, I would think you would want to try to avoid being in the soft-middle which is paying a big salary to a player who is not a big upgrade. The difference between the best and let's say 6th best qb to be generous is not massive. The gap between 6 and 14 in terms of production over replacement value is pretty big. What gets you askew is paying what it takes to get the 14th best qb (if that's truly where Carr is) when it is out of whack with what he can deliver. Being saddled with it for 3 years and the accompanying cap hit when you move on I think is a real issue.

Will be interesting to see if they want to overpay for a league average qb. How much better would Carr make the Saints over, let's say Cooper Rush who is average at best? How much better would Carr be than Mayfield? I wouldn't think the gap would justify the cost.

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First of all, the starting QB contracts should not be based on a population of all starters. Remove rookie contracts and it's a legitimate comparison (since Rookies don't get market rate due to CBA manipulation).

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So now you are trying to move the goal posts to conform to your argument. Rookies are underpaid if they can start and perform. But they are still considered starters and their salary is taken into account in the rankings of salary. Some rookies are overpaid if taken high and turn out to be busts. It all averages out in the end.


This was cap charges for 2022. The 16th qb cap charge was around 12-13 million.
https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2022

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So now you are trying to move the goal posts to

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What? No. I never laid down any "goal posts". I'm critiquing your attempt at comparison as terrible and worthless to this discussion.

That criticism has remained consistent and logical. Nothing has changed in my argument.

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Rookies are underpaid if they can start and perform. But they are still considered starters and their salary is taken into account in the rankings of salary.

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Yes and I said that's irrelevant to the discussion so those data points are worthless.

That would only be a good argument from a person arguing for a tank or constant churn of 1st round QBs (b/c their salaries are low). Nobody is making that argument, so the data doesn't belong in this discussion.

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This was cap charges for 2022.

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Again, doesn't take into account the total cost.

Brady's hit in 2022 was about $12M.

His cap hit in 2023 is $35M

I"ll put it to you this way, the hit for 2023 averaged over his 3 years in Tampa Bay alone was almost $12M

This puts his 2022 cost at just under $24M, which is the number that should be used for this comparison.

*ETA: from what I can tell, it looks like Brady was paid $90M for the 3 years, so his actual average payment was $30M/year.

He signed a 2/50 with no restructuring then an extension that paid him $40M

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Didn't the Vikings have a negative point differential this season? They were a really fortunate team this year

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Vikings won I believe 11/12 single possession games and then got beat in the 1st rd. They were fools gold. Based on regular season game, and our own record involved single possession games. We may not have been better, but we weren’t worse. With Carr yea we are better.