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re: Could the house of cards be falling?

Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:50 pm to
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34928 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:50 pm to
actually, the 'lick my balls' avatar is part of an inside joke with someone else on this website.. it's not an overused, unoriginal, played out phrase that is used so much that it isn't even entertaining anymore




but sorry for picking on your boyfriend... i'm done
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18787 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:54 pm to
One of you fellas mind copying the contents of the article here? Web filter blocked that site.

TIA.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23661 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 1:56 pm to
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One of you fellas mind copying the contents of the article here? Web filter blocked that site.


I think that is frowned upon, but I'll do you a solid because it needs to be read.

quote:

Judge Helen G. Berrigan issued an order today in the bounty cases. Though it contained no ruling, it hinted at a decision she may be thinking about making, specifically as to Saints linebacker Jonathan Vilma’s defamation claim against Commissioner Roger Goodell.

Judge Berrigan has ordered the parties to identify by Friday at noon the date on which the NFLPA allegedly asked the NFL to defer disciplining players on March 21, the same day he disciplined the coaches and other non-players in the bounty case.

“The Court is aware that Goodell stated, during the March 21, 2012 interview with the NFL Network and ESPN, that he would have disciplined the players at the same time as the coaches but for the NFLPA’s indication that they ‘wanted some time to investigate [the allegations] and talk to its own players,’” Judge Berrigan writes in the order, a copy of which was obtained by PFT. “The Court is asking for the specific date on which this request occurred. If the date is already in the record, the parties may simply cite to the relevant document in the record; if it is not, then the parties shall submit the relevant evidence.”

Judge Berrigan apparently is trying to confirm — or debunk — the NFL’s claim that the decision to suspend the players already had been made at the time the league imposed discipline on the non-players. If the NFL hadn’t made the decision to suspend the players on or before March 21, then the statements made on March 21 by Goodell regarding Vilma could be viewed as unnecessary to the disciplinary process and thus not within the confines of Goodell’s job duties and, most importantly, completely beyond the scope of the labor agreement’s arbitration procedures.

In English, if Goodell actually hadn’t made the decision as to the players on March 21, Vilma’s defamation lawsuit can proceed in court.

At the August 10 hearing before Judge Berrigan, NFL outside counsel Gregg Levy reiterated the position that the decision was made as of March 21, but that the league waited at the union’s request. “[T]he Commissioner was prepared to issue his suspension decision with regard to the players at the same time that he disciplined the franchise and the coaches. But he held off doing that. He held off doing that because he was asked to do that by the Union, which represented to him that it was conducting its own investigation and no investigation ensued,” Levy said.

Judge Berrigan seems to be calling B.S., in not-so-subtle fashion. And it’ll be interesting to see what the parties submit on Friday in response to her order.

If, in the end, the NFL can’t substantiate the contention that the NFLPA asked for the discipline to be delayed beyond March 21, the impact could extend beyond Vilma’s defamation claim. Judge Berrigan will have caught the league with its fingers in the cookie jar of fabrication, which will influence to some extent the manner in which she views any other factual claims made by the league.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 2:01 pm to
and situationally the biggest thing is just getting the restraining order on the NFL so that the process can continue in court. That's like the starcaps deal. Charles Grant already gone by the time it finished the legal process. Vilma & Smith would both be very questionable roster players next year if this issue wasn't even in existence. They just wanna find a way for them to play right now even if the final court result ends up with suspensions.

In 2013 Smith is a $14.5mil cap hit that can be reduced $9mil by cutting him

2013 Vilma is $6.5mil that can be reduced $4.8mil by cutting

Wilson & Jordan's combined 2013 cap hit is only $2.8mil and Juneyah will be RFA. Lofton will make it difficult for Vilma to ever be the MLB starter again IMO.
Posted by cdaniel76
Ponchatoula
Member since Feb 2008
19783 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 4:36 pm to
NFL Responds to Judges request:

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NFL'S SUBMISSION PURSUANT TO THE COURT'S ORDER OF AUGUST 15, 2012

By Order dated August 15, 2012 (Doc. No. 112), the Court directed the parties "to identify the date on which the NFLPA requested that Mr. Goodell defer issuing discipline notices to the players rather than issuing them at the same time that he disciplined the coaches" and, if that date was not already in the record, for the Parties "to submit the relevant evidence." (Id.) In response to this Order, the NFL respectfully submits the following:

1. By letter dated March 7, 2012 from Richard Berthelsen, then-General Counsel of the NFLPA, to Jeffrey Pash, Executive Vice President and General Counsel of the NFL, the NFLPA requested that the Commissioner agree to defer, "for a period of at least sixty days," disciplinary proceedings "against any of the individuals involved" in the Saints' pay-for-performance bounty program to afford the NFLPA an opportunity to conduct its own "comprehensive review" of the circumstances. (Declaration of Adolpho Birch, Ex. LL (submitted herewith).)

2. By letter dated March 14, 2012, Mr. Pash responded, stating that after careful review, the League had concluded that "there is no basis for delaying the imposition of any discipline in this matter, and particularly not as it may apply to a club or any non-player employee of a club" (emphasis added). (Birch Decl., Ex. MM.)

3. Commissioner Goodell had intended to discipline the Saints players who were involved in the pay-for-performance/bounty program at the same time that he disciplined the Saints franchise and its non-player employees. However, in light of the NFLPA's request, in telephone conversations with DeMaurice Smith, Executive Director of the NFLPA, occurring sometime between March 14, 2012, the date of the letter referred to in Paragraph 2, and March 21, 2012, the Commissioner agreed to address first discipline of the club and non-player employees and to afford the NFLPA a reasonable opportunity to conduct its own investigation and express its views before he imposed discipline on the players. (Declaration of Roger Goodell, (submitted herewith).)

4. After no additional information was received from the NFLPA (other than the Declaration of Mr. Hargrove (Ex. W)), notice letters to the players were sent on May 2, eight weeks after the NFLPA's request for a 60-day deferral.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 4:42 pm to
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3. Commissioner Goodell had intended to discipline the Saints players who were involved in the pay-for-performance/bounty program at the same time that he disciplined the Saints franchise and its non-player employees. However, in light of the NFLPA's request, in telephone conversations with DeMaurice Smith, Executive Director of the NFLPA, occurring sometime between March 14, 2012, the date of the letter referred to in Paragraph 2, and March 21, 2012, the Commissioner agreed to address first discipline of the club and non-player employees and to afford the NFLPA a reasonable opportunity to conduct its own investigation and express its views before he imposed discipline on the players. (Declaration of Roger Goodell, (submitted herewith).)


Okay. There's a legal document that proves that we lied. However, that doesn't count because I called him, but I don't remember exactly when I made that call and you can't prove that I said what I said on that phone call that I can't even remember when I made it.
Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
Member since Jan 2008
2790 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 4:54 pm to
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Saw it in a video. That little hole is for the food bowl. That's how it eats. Friggin spoiled dogs.



I doubt that's a spoiled dog. That looks like a Bailey Chair, named after the dog for which one was built. Dogs suffering from a family of conditions called "Megaesophagus" can either eat upright or risk starvation or aspiration pneumonia. That chair helps mitigate the condition and give the dog a chance for something closer to a normal life or in some cases, a fighting chance for survival.
Posted by SaintEB
Member since Jul 2008
23661 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 5:01 pm to
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I doubt that's a spoiled dog. That looks like a Bailey Chair, named after the dog for which one was built. Dogs suffering from a family of conditions called "Megaesophagus" can either eat upright or risk starvation or aspiration pneumonia. That chair helps mitigate the condition and give the dog a chance for something closer to a normal life or in some cases, a fighting chance for survival.


Learn something new every day.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31567 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 5:01 pm to
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Even if the players win the judge won't overturn the suspensions. She has cited the part of the CBA that says some entity besides Goodell handles punishment for on field issues. All that would happen if the players win is their suspensions would be handled by some committee of people employed by the NFL, so maybe you get them cut in half, they won't go away completely and it wouldn't effect the discipline on the coaches at all.



I thought appeals are heard by an arbitrator for on field issues?
Posted by Souljah
Audubon Park VIA Kingston,Jamaica
Member since Apr 2012
4269 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 5:14 pm to
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 5:28 pm to
Lying to a federal judge is a big big no no and if true the NFL is fricked. Look for them to say something like although the decsion was reached there was no written documentation as such was not required or some like that
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 7:47 pm to
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Nfl needs to prove the union asked to delay judgement on players


NFL provides documents showing the Union asked for the NFL to wait


Still not certain how this hurts the NFL. Their decision was made in March, so...I just dont know lol
This post was edited on 8/16/12 at 7:48 pm
Posted by CECILTURTLE
Covington, La
Member since Jan 2008
607 posts
Posted on 8/16/12 at 8:07 pm to
NFL provides documents showing the Union asked for the NFL to wait


LINK


Yes but if you read the above article. Goddell stated he would not abide by their request
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