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re: Cooks traded to Rams
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:22 pm to GynoSandberg
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:22 pm to GynoSandberg
Cooks was at 16.6 last year
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Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:26 pm to htran90
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but he's horrible at yac
I don’t think yac means what you think it means
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:27 pm to GynoSandberg
I'm talking about turning short passes into big gains. Guys like obj and Antonio brown are downright amazing at it. Cooks can't turn a 5 yard pass into a 20 yard gain. He's an amazing deep threat, but the concern is now paying a deep threat 16m annually for new England.
Not happening.
Not happening.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:29 pm to wildtigercat93
That’s what I’m saying
He was 3rd in the NFL last year in big catches (25+ yards) with 15, only behind AB and Hopkins. Who cares about YAC when you’re catching the ball downfield
He was 3rd in the NFL last year in big catches (25+ yards) with 15, only behind AB and Hopkins. Who cares about YAC when you’re catching the ball downfield
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:29 pm to Chad504boy
Well this is gonna frick with my fantasy football draft this year. 
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:32 pm to GynoSandberg
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That’s what I’m saying
He was 3rd in the NFL last year in big catches (25+ yards) with 15, only behind AB and Hopkins. Who cares about YAC when you’re catching the ball downfield
Teams that care about ball control.
They also forced a lot of deep passes to him, look at the completion% to him. It's like 60% or less.
He's a very good wr, easily top 10, but he's a limited wr. That's all there is to it. Not saying he's shitty, but he's limited and teams are about to pay him 16m, top 5 money.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 6:59 pm to htran90
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Teams that care about ball control
You think he has an adverse affect on “ball control”?
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Teams that care about ball control.
They also forced a lot of deep passes to him, look at the completion% to him. It's like 60% or less
He’s been apart of nothing but top tier offenses.
His catch % doesn’t matter when the end game is still better numbers than guys w high catch % - and it’s still a flawed stat correlated to depth of target. And in the end, the QB efficiency wins out
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He's a very good wr, easily top 10, but he's a limited wr. That's all there is to it. Not saying he's shitty, but he's limited and teams are about to pay him 16m, top 5 money.
Well most have their limits outside of 3-4 guys. We are lining up to pay mike Thomas that type of money, and by your measure he’s limited bc he doesn’t catch deep balls and isn’t a big play threat
Posted on 4/3/18 at 7:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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You have your Jarvis Landry's who post nice YAC numbers but cant crack 1k yards. It aint all about YAC, it's about getting down the field
Landry stats
He cracked over 1,100 twice and was 13 yards shy of 1,000 last year.
Not sure what his YAC avg. is, but his YPC has not been great, which usually suggests a low YAC avg.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 7:17 pm to tigernnola
“Thinking Cooks May have an attitude/locker room issue.”
ASTUTE much .?...
ASTUTE much .?...
Posted on 4/3/18 at 7:17 pm to GynoSandberg
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You think he has an adverse affect on “ball control”?
If I'm depending on him to go get 1st downs because he's my go to option to bail me out, yeah that's a problem.
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He’s been apart of nothing but top tier offenses.
No one said he wasn't.
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His catch % doesn’t matter when the end game is still better numbers than guys w high catch % - and it’s still a flawed stat correlated to depth of target. And in the end, the QB efficiency wins out
When we're talking about volume by numbers, yeah something like completion% matters.
If I'm throwing to a wr 180 times, he catches only 100 and hits 1400 yards. That's pretty good.
Is that somehow better than a wr that catches 80 passes on 110 targets for 1200 yards? I'd argue not.
Like I said. By volume.
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Well most have their limits outside of 3-4 guys. We are lining up to pay mike Thomas that type of money, and by your measure he’s limited bc he doesn’t catch deep balls and isn’t a big play threat
Yeah, he is limited. So is someone like nuk. But they're prototypical #1 WRs with their size and have ability to catch in traffic vs physical corners.
They're focal pieces. Cooks is more of a complimentary one, elite af, but still more complementary than a cornerstone piece.
I'm someone who hated the trade, I actually like cooks and still wish he was here. (obviously Ramczyk panned that out for us though so that's nice)... But he's a one trick pony about to be paid 16+mil.
An elite DeSean Jackson. Is that worth 16m+ to you?
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:34 pm to htran90
Good luck BC. I still think you’re not a #1 wr and now at least 3 other teams agree
Posted on 4/3/18 at 8:38 pm to Chad504boy
Cancerous
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:06 pm to htran90
Nuk is not limited is my opinion and I was with you on everything else.
Cooks is limited dude is small and fast
I'm not saying he's just a deep threat but he is over rated in his own head and by these trades.
Cooks is limited dude is small and fast
I'm not saying he's just a deep threat but he is over rated in his own head and by these trades.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:07 pm to htran90
Oh sorry didn't read entire sentence.
I get what you were saying about Nuk
I get what you were saying about Nuk
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:45 pm to GynoSandberg
that trade is good for both teams I think.
gives the Rams a good trio of young WR's.
I was never crazy about Cooks but I do think we missed him at times last year. Ginn did more than I thought he would and Snead took huge steps backwards. I also think that Fleener getting injured around the halfway point was an underrated blow. Not that Fleener is a big play guy by any means but it's one less option in the passing game and that never helps.
gives the Rams a good trio of young WR's.
I was never crazy about Cooks but I do think we missed him at times last year. Ginn did more than I thought he would and Snead took huge steps backwards. I also think that Fleener getting injured around the halfway point was an underrated blow. Not that Fleener is a big play guy by any means but it's one less option in the passing game and that never helps.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:30 pm to bonethug0108
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Landry stats
He cracked over 1,100 twice and was 13 yards shy of 1,000 last year.
Not sure what his YAC avg. is, but his YPC has not been great, which usually suggests a low YAC avg
Gee you don’t think I was referencing his sub 1k and YAC numbers from this season?
Landry had the 2nd most YAC amongst WR this season yet is the first WR in NFL history not to crack 1k yards off 100+ receptions. And with all that YAC he has only 4 receptions go for over 25+ yards. He’s routinely at the top of YAC leaders based on the volume of balls he catches. 509 yards after the catch on 112 catches
The moral of the story is to use context when citing flawed statistics
Posted on 4/4/18 at 12:19 am to NOSHAU
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You're kidding me. They got a higher 1st round pick than we did
No shite. They also traded a 4th round pick along with him.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 6:15 am to tigertrueAU
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Cancerous
Except it was reported that the patriots tried to extend him on a couple of occasions.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 7:39 am to sicboy
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@RapSheet
One more note on Brandin Cooks: #Rams are getting an incredibly productive WR who Sean McVay has coveted. But #Patriots didn’t see him as a true No. 1 for them... and from what I understand, Tom Brady is not sad about this move. Despite his numbers, Cooks wasn’t a great fit.
Hmmm...
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:07 am to Rand AlThor
Schefter:
Just saying there was some interest to keep him around. I feel if he was this big "cancer" like everyone likes to say, they wouldn't have attempted.
But I agree, not a #1 guy.
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Patriots attempted to re-sign WR Brandin Cooks before talks broke off. Rams now will continue those talks with the intent to sign Cooks to a long-term deal, per sources.
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When the Patriots attempts to re-sign Brandin Cooks this off-season stalled, trade talks with Rams commenced. Then Monday, Sean McVay and Bill Belichick worked together at the same coaching clinic in Georgia. Talks escalated and, eventually, culminated Tuesday in a deal.
Just saying there was some interest to keep him around. I feel if he was this big "cancer" like everyone likes to say, they wouldn't have attempted.
But I agree, not a #1 guy.
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